Posted on 03/05/2016 5:44:54 PM PST by ThomasThomas
We now have ex ? hippies running the establishment government. And they have made the establishment a bad thing to today's conservatives witch are very much like the establishment of the 60's.
I was a young kid in the 60's but I do have some clear memories. Mainly because I never smoked dope. When did main steam conservative America be become anti-establishment?
This clip from Dragnet extolled the values of the establishment. It is still good today explaining what a good government allow people to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZo2hhvvlpw
Have modern day conservative become the anti-establishment movement with some comparisons to the hippies? Many of the complaints from today's conservatives mimic those of the hippies. especially the the libertarian leaning folks?
This has puzzled me often - how my aging hippie friends that were protesting all over the place during my youth, have just bent over in recent years and let ‘The Establishment’ do what it will with them.
The only real anti-establishment folks now are the real conservatives.
-JT
Fabian socializm. They don’t exist they don’t exist and suddenly they’re running everything.
It wasn’t. We are we’re all too naive.
We were
Very good scene and with some very good observations from Mr. Webb’s character which are still relevant today.
As an aside, I get a kick out of reading the personal trivia section about Jack at the IMDB site that includes that he was big baseball fan (the badge number 714 was based on Babe Ruth’s career home run total), was good friends with Gene Roddenberry, and that he had over 6,000 jazz record albums in his private collection.
You misspelled memories. Or mammaries. Whichever one you meant.
You make great points.
Some things have switched around, and now suddenly I am comfortable using some terms that I previously considered taboo.
Take the word, “Establishment”:
Previously the only people throwing that term around were dirty hippies, annoying cafe poets with blue hair and UC Berkeley professors.
Another one is “Country-club”. Hey, I was IN the country-club. But now I lambaste them, and I feel I’m correct in doing so.
There are lots of other examples.
I was in my twenties during the sixties, smack in the middle of the demographic. Although I remained unpoliticized for another decade, and was never a hippy, the “don’t trust anyone other thirty” meme was internalized. Having served four years in the military, I nonetheless believed we couldn’t win the Vietnam war by hamstringing our forces and refusing to do whatever it took to win. This was the essence of an incompetent establishment, rightly opposed.
Thus, the anti-establishment movement took hold and as later historians acknowledged, “we won.” So academia and government slowly became infiltrated by “us” and we became the establishment.
Eventually, maturity took hold as I and others moved to the right politically, but those coming behind were ‘educated’ out of rational political push-back such that the leftist establishment, particularly the civil service, acquired the ratchet effect, moving ever left but never right. There is no cure aside for an American reset button. But even that may be too late.
I remember the hippies of the 60’s as being non-materialistic, nothing like today’s young adults.
I lived on Alameda Navel Air Station in the late 60’s and it never seemed odd to me that the bus driver who took us to the public schools carried a gun. Enlisted marines were the bus drivers. When I got to Jr High we had to walk to school. There some kids from Oakland bused in after being feed breakfast by the black panthers. Three of them refused to say the pledge of allegiance on day and they renouncing the citizenship. They were pick up by their parents. Back them even the more radical kids still had two parents. I heard they got beat for this stunt. But seeing the more radical side of anti-establishment movement at a young age kept me conservative from a young age, even in high school and college. That and having a dad how was a Navy Chaplin from the Southern Baptist didn’t hurt.
Far out
Apparently you missed the part where they all cleaned up and took over the democrat party while cutting the testicles off of those in the Rockefeller wing of the GOP
There were some of us who said the Democrat AND Republican Parties were both corrupt in 1964. Before us there were people saying the Republican Party had been infiltrated and subverted by Democrats in 1932. The Republican Party has been acting as the straight man for the Democrat fraudsters for nearly a century now. This was why many of us in 1978 said we had to elect Nixon to keep Humphrey and McGovern out of the White House and then impeach Nixon. It all makes you wonder just many elections and how many generations of voters is it going to take before the voters stop bickering, wise up, and put forward someone who is honest, capable, and is not a foreign born person to really represent the Constitution and the U.S. Citizens.
Well, most of the ‘aging hippies’ I referred to are not ideological at all, and don’t pay much attention to politics - unless it’s a social issue that gives them an opportunity to feel good about themselves and appear better than others. They certainly didn’t want to be drafted during VN; but otherwise they were just successfully brainwashed in the ‘60s-’70s, and wanted to be like the ‘cool’ people.
And most of them are hypocrites when it comes to actually living by what they profess in public - some of them are privately racists in act and attitude; and all of them complain about taxes, while voting for the very ones who are taxing them out of a future. There’s a big disconnect there, among my personal liberal friends ;-)
-JT
I also remember when the stoned filth a la Bernie Sanders were saying “Don’t trust anyone over 30.”
Sanders, at 45 years over 30, is having a hell of a laugh at so many children with no knowledge of history giving him all their trust.
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