Posted on 03/23/2016 4:12:27 PM PDT by Washi
RUSH: Vinny in Long Island. Vinny, it's great to have you back on the program. It's been a while. It's good to see your name up on the board there. How you doing?
CALLER: Hi, Rush. Maybe that's another Vinny, but I'm a first-time, longtime, and probably a 95-percenter, which means --
RUSH: Oh, so you're not the usual Vinny? Okay.
CALLER: No, there's a lot of conservative Vinnies from Long Island (chuckles), as you can imagine.
RUSH: Well, there's a lot of people in Long Island, so, yeah. It would makes sense that there are a lot of them are named Vinny.
CALLER: Yeah, a lot of Vinnies.
RUSH: Right.
CALLER: Two points.
RUSH: (chuckling)
CALLER: I want to answer that point about surveillance about Cruz. My first point was that I have a hard time believing that of all those candidates up there, save for maybe Trump and Carson, that the GOP establishment didn't have some kind of connection to every single one of them, including Cruz. Most likely Cruz, because he was a lawyer in the Bush administration going way back to 2000. His wife worked for a lawyer, I think, also. For Condoleezza Rice on various different programs, which, you know, it's in doubt if she was for open borders or against open borders. You know, I don't know any of that stuff. But Cruz is definitely part of the establishment for a long, long time and, you know, he's made connections with 'em. He's a senator. He's not as anti-establishment as everybody would have him think. I mean, now the Bush endorsement --
RUSH: Well, now, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. Let me take these one at a time so I can interrogate you.
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: Ah, ask you some questions you some questions.
CALLER: Sure.
RUSH: So you think because Cruz once worked for George W. Bush --
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: -- and Cruz's wife was with Goldman Sachs and Condoleezza Rice --
CALLER: Right.
RUSH: -- that all of that cancels out everything Ted Cruz says --
CALLER: No.
RUSH: -- and means that he's really just fooling you, that he's --
CALLER: No. No. No.
RUSH: -- as establishment as all these other blue-bloods are?
CALLER: No. No. I think it's just like, you know, he's one of them, but he has his own strong conservative values.
RUSH: Why do they hate him, Vinny?
CALLER: They hate him because he's against all their... um... let's call it "deal-making."
RUSH: Well?
CALLER: But here's the thing. Cruz is a lawyer himself. And you're never heard of a lawyer that does not make deals, do you? I mean, he's gonna make some deals on his own.
RUSH: (laughs)
CALLER: They're gonna be to his liking.
RUSH: Wait a second. That's all Trump is saying. Deal-making! That's what Trump is running on: A platform of deal-making.
CALLER: Yeah. But I think it's anti-establishment deal-making what Trump wants.
RUSH: Oh. Oh. (laughing)
CALLER: And Cruz, you know, unfortunately for him, he has... I mean, I liked him in the beginning. I mean, I really loved him. I thought he'd be a political (sic) vice president.
RUSH: Well, then what happened?
CALLER: What happened? I'll tell you what happened.
RUSH: What happened? If you liked him and he hasn't changed any, what happened?
CALLER: I'll give you a great explanation of why probably 90% of Trump supporters now hate him. Because he took out the long lawyer knives on Trump. And what I mean by that is he started to cast aspersions. He started to, uh, attack --
RUSH: He was the last! He was the last. He went longer than anybody not attacking!
CALLER: Yeah, I know, you're right. You're right. I'm not saying that's not true. It's true. Very true. But I guess when he reached certain point he thought, you know, "Hey, I got a shot at this, you know? I'm not gonna let this guy, you know, steamroll me. I'm a lawyer," and just... He really went after him in such a way that... Trump is not a lawyer. He's not gonna be able to respond to half of that stuff. He's gonna stand there looking foolish, I guess.
RUSH: You gotta be kidding.
CALLER: Yeah? This is the way I feel.
RUSH: Vinny, you can't be serious.
CALLER: This is the way I feel.
RUSH: You're telling me that because Cruz is a lawyer, he can go after Trump in certain ways that Trump can't react to and respond to 'cause Trump's not a lawyer, and a lawyer can make anybody look foolish, and you don't want him making Trump looking foolish because Trump's not a lawyer and Cruz is and so it isn't fair?
CALLER: He doesn't know how to respond in kind. I'm sorry, I think that's... I think that's the simple, simple explanation of it. Trump does his best with his New York style, which is kind of like mine. I mean, I'm a New Yorker.
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: And I understand Trump perfectly. I know he's not a liberal Democrat, otherwise he would have ran as a liberal Democrat. Right now, the election would have been over.
RUSH: Wait a minute. You gotta be very careful.
CALLER: Rush, it would have been over if he would have run as a liberal Democrat.
RUSH: You gotta be very careful on this New Yorker business.
CALLER: (chortles)
RUSH: Because that's really what this is about, isn't it?
CALLER: M'yeah. So --
RUSH: When Cruz came out and accused Trump of having "New York values," that was it with you, right? 'Cause you're New Yorker, and Trump's a New Yorker, and you New Yorkers you hang together. You know how you talk; you know what you mean when you say New York stuff --
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: -- and here comes Cruz! Here comes Cruz castigating all you. That was the last straw of that, right?
CALLER: Eh, only because I knew that Trump has been a lifelong conservative Republican. I mean, he was at the 1988 convention
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: I forgot where that was. Maybe New Orleans. I can't remember. And he was interviewed on CNN by Larry King, and he said, "Conservative Republican Donald Trump." That was 1988.
RUSH: I have to step in here, Vinny. Just a second. For all of you listening, getting close to driving off the road or the nearest cliff, pulling your hair out.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: Dial it back.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: We got it under control here.
CALLER: (chuckling)
RUSH: They're shouting at me out there. "What do you mean, 'lifelong conservative Republican'? He donated to Hillary! What are you talking about?"
CALLER: Peanuts!
RUSH: Vinny, they're shouting at their radio and at me.
CALLER: Peanuts. He gave them peanuts.
RUSH: Peanuts? (laughs) Folks, see? There's an answer for everything here! This is why I'm trying to demonstrate: You cannot, and nobody can -- and I'm not even trying to. You can't break this bond. You can hit with logic. You can refute. You can point out the allegations being made about Cruz are not true. "Ah, you're right. You're right." But it doesn't matter. I'm at peace with it. It is what it is. There have to be other techniques, road maps, routes to accomplish what needs to be accomplished here, from the Cruz standpoint. Anyway, Vinny, I appreciate the call. We now happily welcome you to The Vinny Club here at the EIB Network. So next time you call, you'll be the Vinny from Long Island.
I was going to say “The image forgot Rubio’s name” but I realized that Rubio unhitched himself from those clowns once he left the race.
... Trump supporters can (and I’m sure they will) attack the messenger, but they can’t refute the point.
Rush was gentle with him, lol. Unbelievable what some Trump supporters believe.
Imagine this: A president Trump in charge of the IRS, FBI, CIA etc. He will make OBama and Nixon look like the Virgin Mary. Why would anyone in their right minds want him in charge to finish destroying anyone who disagrees with him? Difference is pubbies will help dems impeach and remove him if he gets caught in that and with his record of trying to destroy all who don’t kiss his a$$ it is pretty much guaranteed.
This is probably already in the Hillary campaign ad play book.
The bogus assumption is that because Vinny said feel therefore everyone who supports Trump is not being rational.
It's a cute insult tactic but easily caught by anyone being ... rational.
I respect Rush's opinion for the most part, his ability to reason etc. and he properly shoots down Vinnie,
So what? Vinny has stumbled upon the right conclusion with faulty (actually no real) reasoning. Rush identified it. We're glad to have his vote - good instincts Vinnie!
I think what he's actually reacting to, but doesn't know it, is that Cruz doesn't seem to utter a genuine word on stage. This is probably better identified as 'instinct' rather than feeling that Vinnie is displaying.
But believe what you want ... it's entirely possible that mine and a lot of other people's instincts (and rational thought) are all just messed up. Then again, maybe yours are. Maybe you're just missing something that the rest of us aren't. It's possible.
Cruz strikes me as slightly Aspergers/autism spectrum - very slightly - but you see it in his disconnectedness. Wouldn't surprise me if some of Heidi's problems are related to being married to a man who's entire life occurs in his head, no real connection.
My father was like Cruz in a lot of ways. A very good man, super smart, went to Harvard - all of that on-paper stuff, but that lack of connection was a real problem. Years after they divorced, my mother said "I could just never figure out what I was doing wrong." She wasn't doing anything wrong, she was married to a man who wasn't entirely there, smart as he was (and thought he was.)
Loved my Dad, but as a leader, and in the real world ... he couldn't make anything move ... people or things. Cruz worries me that way. He'll be right, on paper, in rhetoric, about everything, but that doesn't change the direction of thinking of a mob of people (America) to whom he can not connect.
Couple that with Cruz's increasingly close reliance on the Bush E machine ... and ... I just don't think he's going to be able to accomplish anything. No accomplishment is death at this point. (He would have been fine, great even, back in the GH days, but too much has changed.)
So, I've talked a little about connection. It's not all either 'rational' or 'feel' ... there is an instinctual connection that people feel, and without it, nothing great is accomplished. The risk of course is that bad things can be accomplished if those connected are deluded losers like liberals. But I don't sense that from Trump supporters. Many of us do a bit of a double take that we support him.
Who will go to bat for America - without a risk that they may throw the game for money or fame, and if they do go to bat, who can actually hit?
I don't see Cruz hitting, and I suspect he may think he's so smart that he'll make a deal with the Establishment thinking he can deliver to both sides. He's intellectually arrogant, hasn't fully grown up, and has zero humility, though he fakes it on stage a lot. Those without it fake it well - they don't even know they are faking it, because you can't learn it from a book, or through a cogent rational deductive or inductive argument. You have to have been there. Cruz ... does ... not ... have ... it.
Trump has failed in big big big ways, and come back.
Am I throwing too much feeling at you? Did you ever succeed at something that required something more than your book knowledge of how to accomplish it? Cruz DOESN'T have that thing. Trump does.
That’s a far, far worse dilemma in the long run for the supporters of Jeb Cruz. Because emotional people do really drastic and vindictive things when screwed over. Like going scorched earth on the gop.
You're making my point.
It's been nothing BUT scorched Earth in here since the first time Cruz said anything slightly less than complimentary about Trump.
Trump and the Cult aren’t Conservative.
Repeatedly since last summer supporters of Cruz and other candidates have been ridiculed and insulted by Trump and his rabid sycophants. Now that they think the nomination is in the bag they want us to meekly get in line to put him over the top. I will support the Republican nominee even if it is the worthless piece of human garbage known as Donald Trump. But guess what? Trump and the cult have so poisoned the water that many true Conservatives won’t. If he was half as bright as he is claimed to be he would be going on a charm offensive and ignoring little things like pinup pictures of his third wife. He needs us and he and the Cult better get their minds right on making us happy.
Stick it where the sun don't shine, pal. You want to vote for PIAPS, be my guest. Take your self-righteous attitude and hit the road!
Go to Hell, Bud.
I can't imagine why this sort of arrogance and condescension – which is a universal and unearned Cruz-backer trait – isn't persuasive.
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This has been a nasty, sick all out assault against a man who has the right to run for president, and against We the People who have a right to support a candidate of OUR choosing. It will not end well if the GOP is successful in denying Trump the nomination. We all know that if there wasn't a coordinated, massive effort to stop Trump, he would be winning by a massive majority. This BS has gone way beyond acceptable, or forgivable.
| Good analysis, odawg. The key question becomes: when will Rush (if ever) give up on this fruitless Ted! campaign. It's already known that Cruz must win 80% of the remaining delegates to win the nomination. It's nearly impossible. So this shows the idiocy of Rush's tactics. He's prolonging the attacks on Trump as long as possible and will cause damage to the party. Rush has become the stealth GOPe talk show host! |
Are you off your meds? OR have you just let your Trump hatred blind your reasoning faculties?
You know, it’s funny, but I have yet to hear of anyone on FR who has switched from Trump to Cruz.
Likewise “Bud”.
How can you be ‘stealth’ when you’re on the radio.
Cruz has a better chance of winning the remaining states than Trump does.
Trump has a following but it’s way short of 50% of the people. In fact, he’s never drawn 50% ... he would have lost Arizona but for early voting and Rubio staying in.
Fortunately, the rest of the country is thinking and they are thinking they don’t want Trump.
Fixed it for you.
He is prolonging the inevitable and it will only hurt the Republican nominee.
On the voting, how did Cruz do in other northeast states like Vermont, New Hampshire and Massachusetts?
There are reasons for that that in no way conform to your implication.
I don't. He has a LONG record of supporting their candidates and causes.
I’m from New York and I agree with Cruz about New York values.
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