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SF’s $201.6M green tower falls short of some expectations
sfexaminer ^ | April 25, 201626 Apr 2016 | Joshua Sabatini

Posted on 04/25/2016 7:04:25 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

While initially touted by The City as the greenest office building in North America, new analysis shows some of the celebrated features of the San Francisco Public Utilities Commission’s $200 million headquarters have not lived up to expectations. And while the photovoltaic system has met energy needs as planned, the solar inverter room became too hot due to poor ventilation, and a cooling system had to be installed.

In another unexpected twist, the company that installed the inverter room has gone bankrupt, making replacement parts unattainable, the memo said.

And while the photovoltaic system has met energy needs as planned, the solar inverter room became too hot due to poor ventilation, and a cooling system had to be installed.

In another unexpected twist, the company that installed the inverter room has gone bankrupt, making replacement parts unattainable, the memo said.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfexaminer.com ...


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Unstated is the cost of all the energy saving equipment.
1 posted on 04/25/2016 7:04:25 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Socialist idiots.


2 posted on 04/25/2016 7:06:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Green” anything means “green” into some LIB asshat’s pockets. Usually, it is OPM (other peoples’ money). Criminal frauds.


3 posted on 04/25/2016 7:09:04 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

How much electricity does the cooling unit use...?


4 posted on 04/25/2016 7:10:59 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

It’s astonishing that they didn’t profit from Germany’s lessons learned re: wind turbines. Whatever happened to “due diligence”?


5 posted on 04/25/2016 7:13:14 PM PDT by Silentgypsy (Mind your atomic bonds.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
“Let me be very clear. These were experiments. We went further than most people would go because we had the opportunity to do that,” said SFPUC commissioner Anson Moran during that meeting.

“The fact that [the building] didn’t perform according to our expectations, I don’t see that as a ding against anybody. The only ding against us would be if we didn’t tell people what we learned. That’s why I am so anxious to get those lessons out.”

Moran is a real moron.

6 posted on 04/25/2016 7:15:02 PM PDT by exit82 (Road Runner sez:" Let's Make America Beeping Great Again! Beep! Beep!")
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Let me be very clear. These were experiments. We went further than most people would go because we had the opportunity to do that,”

Typical sanctimonious, liberal, beauracratic @sshole. The only reason they had "the opportunity to do that", is because they were doing it with other people's money.

7 posted on 04/25/2016 7:17:29 PM PDT by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: Silentgypsy
Whatever happened to “due diligence”?

When it is 'green' and paid for by others; just pour the money in!
No need for performance specifications, no need to retain any funds until it works, no plans just promises.

8 posted on 04/25/2016 7:19:52 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Doncha just love it when lib politician mess with something far beyond their ability to comprehend?

Like science.

And economics.

And ...well...everything.


9 posted on 04/25/2016 7:20:29 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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Not only the unstated costs of the energy savings equipment, but they carefully avoided saying the wind turbines were shaking the crap out of the building, and that was the reason they were shut down. Instead they stated the obvious that a mid rise building in the heart of a BIG city had their wind source blocked by other buildings, which they should have known before they started the project. Liberals are idiots.

Throughout the article we see so many obvious screw-ups they should have known about before they even started the project, because for instance the heat generation of the inverter room was a given, and they should have known from the water department the stink of the water processing/reclamation.

Note nothing was presented under the column of success.


10 posted on 04/25/2016 7:22:32 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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How much electricity does the cooling unit use...?

Energy cost for the cooling? Not too much.

The additional wiring, duct work, condenser water, cooling unit and a place to put it!

$$$$$$

11 posted on 04/25/2016 7:27:27 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Public/private partnerships.
Everybody makes out except the taxpayers.
And no one has to take responsibility.


12 posted on 04/25/2016 7:29:30 PM PDT by dasboot
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To: hal ogen

$200 million for a 13 story administrative building?


13 posted on 04/25/2016 7:33:10 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: 2banana

I don’ t know but in my own solar shed solar-produced power is used to cool the electronics but it doesn’t need much because ventilation takes care of most of it.

Really, I don’t see the problem with a building producing most of its own power if the engineering is competent and chrony capitalism is kept out of it (impossible with a liberal-financed project).

Stupid to try and incorporate wind power in that location. Surprising that the photovoltaics get enough insolation in the Bay Area also.


14 posted on 04/25/2016 7:33:33 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OMorgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Sicon
These were experiments.

Ahh, "experiments." So that's what they're calling "complete failure" these days.

15 posted on 04/25/2016 7:48:51 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far.)
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To: Silentgypsy
From the article: “Urban wind really isn’t a viable energy generation source in [San Francisco], especially on mid-rise downtown buildings,” the memo listed as a “lesson learned.” “This is primarily due to lack of wind resource and difficulty and expense of a building design that will properly accommodate the wind turbines.”

This is one of the windiest areas of SF. Wind on the sidewalk outside the Fox tower one block south can almost knock you off your feet on some days (tower of similar height). Bureaucrat shouldn't blame the problem on lack of wind resource. The problem is lack of proper thinking.

16 posted on 04/25/2016 7:51:13 PM PDT by roadcat
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didn’t perform according to our expectations

In the real world there are design specifications for everything that goes into a building and how it will perform.

The specs for a windmill note page 13 the power curve. http://mn.gov/commerce/energyfacilities/documents/20053/Appendix_B.pdf

17 posted on 04/25/2016 7:52:07 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: steve86

How the heck can you generate electric power on a big scale and not meter what is produced?


18 posted on 04/25/2016 7:55:55 PM PDT by Rockpile (GOP legislators-----caviar eating surrender monkeys.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes. What did you expect from San Francisco Marxists and greenies? Common sense?

Not on your life!


19 posted on 04/25/2016 8:10:52 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Rockpile

Lord knows. My little 1 KW system has all kinds of metering. Input, consumption, real-time and cumulative.


20 posted on 04/25/2016 8:41:03 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OMorgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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