Posted on 06/24/2016 6:15:44 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
he states entered the union voluntarily. There’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to leave voluntarily.
Not exactly true. States that were once territories have no right to secede. Territories were bought and paid for by the federal government and as such are owned lock stock and barrel by the federal government.>>>> ok states maybe but all free peple in a geographical place can and will in the future.
Seems like a Constitutional quandry. I’m not trying to be facetious. The idea doesn’t sit well with me because it doesn’t sound like a union of free and independent states, particularly since the federal government gets tax revenues from the citizens of those states.
Perhaps we should just call these U.S. Citizens federal tenants and drop the pretense. I know I’m being a little dramatic but this federal leviathan no longer even resembles or behaves like the founders intended.
Kosovo really set a new precedent and that precedent seems to be that if the peoples of a region wish to separate from their country and become a new country they can. With continued open borders and mass illegal immigration we can expect our southwest to disintegrate some time this century.
I don't think you are being dramatic at all, most of us are serfs to federal, state and local government. Nothing more than a source of revenue. It fact I'd wager serfs had it better since the King only took 1/3. And with property taxes you never own you land. You are merely a tenant.
:) Being taught in a Texas school back in the 50’s does have advantages. It was understood Texas was a ‘special’ state due to exactly how we entered into the Union of States. Of course this was decades ago sitting in class, but the lesson, while not vividly branded in memory, a shadow still remains.
What about the Republic of Hawaii
If the states cant secede from the usa they created, they cant have seceded from britain.
What’s funny is there really is no need for secession anywise.
The states (or at least a significant number of them) need to band together and start nullifying unconstitutional federal actions. FedGov won’t be able to do anything about it.
“Today’s Texas is as liberals as San Francisco.
They waited too long.”
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I was afraid of that.
“A Declaration by the Representatives of the United Colonies of North-America, Now Met in Congress at Philadelphia, Setting Forth the Causes and Necessity of Their Taking Up Arms.(1)”
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/arms.asp
Google is not our friend, but in this case it does show the source of that article.
Yes, I know the history and I have a copy of Madison’s minutes of the Constitutional Convention in my library.
I am not the least interested in Texas seceding. But I am interested in fixing the causes that would bring this discussion about.
Have you ever been to Texas?
Make me one too please, I’ll wear it in Alberta heh.
I like it.
Also I think Texas should secede and California from the Tahacipis south should become and mexican state.
>>Prior to becoming a state Texas was an independent nation. An agreement between two or more independent nations is a treaty. Under international law any party to a treaty can nullify/withdraw from that treaty. So yes Texas, under international law recognized by the USA, can secede.
and no Texas did not give up for all eternity it’s right to be an independent republic should the people of Texas decide to once again be an independent republic.<<
One more time — you are wrong. When a State becomes a State it is that forever. Texas has no special status as a State and its secession would be the same as any other.
See my other comments upthread on some possible scenarios.
Legally, Texas may NOT secede.
>>The inalienable rights granted by our Creator, supersede the laws of men. Those rights form the very basis of our political union to begin with.<<
If all States are free to LEGALLY secede then what is the point of the USA? What would be the mechanism?
No, any State, Texas included but not special, would have to forcefully secede.
>>Well, Texas has huge refining capability and it has large ports and it is The Place for Oil Industry technology and manufacturing.<<
Which would be shut down by the USA, along with a blockade of attempts to export.
Texas has no standing military nor the ability to create one. Since the military in Texas is mostly not from Texas, any attempt by Texas to annex it would fail. The loyalty and materiel would remain with the USA.
Texas would be toothless and broke in a month, as would ANY state that tried to secede.
So would YOU take up arms against a seceding state(s)? Would you advocate invading a seceding state(s)? Are you a fascist? I think so....
How does Israel mange with only 8 million people? They have a country and an army.
>>So would YOU take up arms against a seceding state(s)? Would you advocate invading a seceding state(s)? Are you a fascist? I think so....
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This is so exasperating. The thread asks “Can Texas legally secede?” The answer is an unqualified NO.
SHOULD Texas secede and, if so, WHAT would be the ramifications is a different question.
I think such an attempt would fail and would require not a shot fired (see some of my ruminations upthread).
But don’t get upset at me because the factual answer doesn’t agree with some fairy tale people carry around about Texas having some sort of special escape clause. It doesn’t.
And don’t get mad at me that the USC does not provide for secession (nor should it). If you think all states should be able to secede at the drop of a hat that is a different discussion, but not a legal one.
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