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Can Texas legally secede from the United States?
WFAA.COM ^ | 24 JUNE 2016 | ANERI PATTANI

Posted on 06/24/2016 6:15:44 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist

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To: freedumb2003

Hitler has spoken....


161 posted on 06/25/2016 6:21:35 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: freedumb2003

Hey try answering the question.


162 posted on 06/25/2016 6:23:20 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

>>Texas would flourish economically with the yoke of the federal govt gone. Only an idiot fails to that.<<

How? The USA would tell the world not to accept Texas scrip. The USA would take (or just not allow Texas to use) all military materiel. The USA would close the roads and into and out of Texas. It would blockade oil shipments and shut the pipelines at the border.

On day 2, things would get really ugly.

And that is just off the top of my head.

As I said the mechanics of a succession attempt would make a great book.


163 posted on 06/25/2016 6:24:11 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't mistake my silence for ignorance, my calmness for acceptance, or my kindness for weakness)
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To: central_va

>>Hitler has spoken....<<

English is not your first language is it? You can’t seem to comprehend at all.

But quick to get to Godwin’s Law, aren’t you?

And per that law, I leave you to your ignorance and fairy tales.


164 posted on 06/25/2016 6:26:09 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't mistake my silence for ignorance, my calmness for acceptance, or my kindness for weakness)
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To: freedumb2003

Can’t answer direct questions. What a coward.


165 posted on 06/25/2016 6:28:02 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: freedumb2003

“When a territory joins the US it says ‘this is now a State.’ No more, no less than any other and the history becomes legally irrelevant.”

In the ratifying conventions, do you think the majority of those who voted believed that?

Would you personally have voted to join?


166 posted on 06/25/2016 7:11:33 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: freedumb2003

This is an excellent post that cuts to the heart of the thread. Remove the turgid hand-wringing and unrestrained emotionalism and argue the facts please!

The current legal state of the argument on secession is that secession is not legal or constitutional. That is the ruling of Texas v. White. It doesn’t matter how anyone feeeeeeeeeeeeels about it - that’s the law.

As I stated in my #34 should someone wish to test that they should try a negotiated mutual secession through Congress.


167 posted on 06/25/2016 7:45:58 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: clamper1797

Hawaii, was not a big subject in school. It was in a weekly reader once, but I don’t remember it in a history class. I have a vague memory of the application for statehood, but was in elementary school, and don’t remember much about it.


168 posted on 06/25/2016 8:07:13 AM PDT by greeneyes
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To: freedumb2003
You keep saying I'm wrong but you provide zero documentation to support your assertion. Thomas Jefferson agrees with me and does Emmerich de Vattel go to page 99 on the link above and read all about it.
169 posted on 06/25/2016 8:15:46 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Exactly! As they just did!!

I believe the 26 states should form a permanent standing committee empowered to sue the Feds if they can get their AG’s and governors to approve each such lawsuit filed! That’s a form of secession right there! Namely, we simply are not going to lay down and do what you say anymore! Each time we feel you have violated the tenth, or any other amendment, we see you in court! Take your money and shove it.................to paraphrase Johnny Paycheck!


170 posted on 06/25/2016 8:29:11 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Exactly! As they just did!!

I believe the 26 states should form a permanent standing committee empowered to sue the Feds if they can get their AG’s and governors to approve each such lawsuit filed! That’s a form of secession right there! Namely, we simply are not going to lay down and do what you say anymore! Each time we feel you have violated the tenth, or any other amendment, we see you in court! Take your money and shove it.................to paraphrase Johnny Paycheck!


171 posted on 06/25/2016 8:29:15 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: freedumb2003
If all States are free to LEGALLY secede then what is the point of the USA? What would be the mechanism?

Freedumb, where you err, is in thinking that a mere LAW has supremacy over a natural RIGHT. Men have written laws throughout time that abridge other's natural rights, and it has always taken the threat of brute force to make people obey them.

The U.S. was created by agreements amongst the peoples of several sovereign states. If it is ever to disolve, it will do so by a disolution of those agreements. That is the mechanism.

As in a broken marriage, when one party has withdrawn their allegiance to the other, the marriage is over. The resultant divorce and legal activity are mere formalities. The same holds true for political unions.

No, any State, Texas included but not special, would have to forcefully secede.

This isn't the 1860s, bud. No one in this country has the stomach to sacrifice millions of lives over a purely political question.

172 posted on 06/25/2016 9:08:28 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: kvanbrunt2
i would stand up as the pennsylvania committee of correspondence and assist in taking up arms to assist the texas delegation in it cessation.

Thank you, but I highly doubt that secession of any state would result in violence in this era.

An exception would be a scenario in which the residents of a state bear more allegiance to another country, than they do to the U.S. This could actually happen in California, if the foreign born Hispanics there achieve numerical dominance, then decide to become a state of Mexico. Under those circumstances I can see possible military action on the federal government's part.

173 posted on 06/25/2016 9:22:45 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: SkyDancer

True, old Abe did, but that certainly doesn’t mean he was correct. Of course, winners write the rules, and 150 years after no one remembers the truth.


174 posted on 06/25/2016 10:19:21 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him); Charles Martel for President)
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To: morphing libertarian

Sorry, that’s not how the constitution works. That document is a grant of powers to a national government. If it’s not in there it’s not granted. The burden is on you to show where it’s granted. Also,read through the thread for a list of states that nevertheless specifically reserved the right to leave.


175 posted on 06/25/2016 10:24:07 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him); Charles Martel for President)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Of course it was illegal. Do you see a provision that says the national government can wage war on a state? However, winners write the rules and losers are forgotten.


176 posted on 06/25/2016 10:26:33 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him); Charles Martel for President)
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To: Founding Father
Of course, winners write the rules, and 150 years after no one remembers the truth.

And losers write the myths. Fortunately the truth is out there in abundance.

177 posted on 06/25/2016 10:31:04 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: freedumb2003

That decision is a joke. By the way, what provision of the constitution says the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what is constitutional? You can’t find it. Marshall’s opinion in Marbury is the greatest grab of power in our country’s history and it’s unfounded. Why do you think no constitutional provision was made to give the court power to enforce it’s decisions? What would your check and balance be on the Supreme Court? So your reply is wrong.


178 posted on 06/25/2016 10:35:13 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him); Charles Martel for President)
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To: rustbucket

Thank you for the considerable effort you took with your reply. It saved me a lot of time when I read the responses this morning. Very well done.


179 posted on 06/25/2016 10:38:12 AM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigblood be upon him); Charles Martel for President)
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To: Founding Father
Do you see a provision that says the national government can wage war on a state?

Article I, Section VIII, Clause XV:

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

180 posted on 06/25/2016 10:38:59 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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