Posted on 07/21/2016 10:19:10 AM PDT by Javeth
Thank you for that report. Prayers up.
I’m sure there are false conversions, but there are many real ones. These are people to whom God was presented as a political, avenging cult God who demanded submission that they press their mouths on the ground 5 times a day towards the land of a warlords birth.
All through the Koran the relationship between the believer and Allah is that as between a master and slave. Islam means “submission”. Allah calls his followers slaves. They are slaves of Allah. But Jesus says believe in me, and you will be children of God, and you can call God, “Daddy”. This is something that Islam cannot conceive of, and is the missing piece all the talking heads do not get. All people wish for this intimate relationship. And everything from the enemy is a lie meant to deceive people that this relationship does not, cannot, should not exist.
When people find it, they run to it. They are permanently innoculated against Islam. But the secular forces that run society fight this, and leave these people vulnerable to being drawn back into this brutal cult. The kids of the original refugees especially IMHO are going to be the most dangerous, because they have a romantic relationship with the idea of some spirtuality they know is lacking in the west but they are searching for.
I follow on FB International Christian Concern, an organization that has its eyes wide open on Islam. They say many of these conversions ARE real, people are desperate for Christ after the bloody cult god of the ME.
Now, how to tell the real from the fake? And the fact that Islam is SO brutal? And the real problem - the west is CLUELESS on the real problem with it - that it is a CULT - that the west has abandoned true spirituality that is our most desparate need - and has no idea how to deal with Islam and is ignorant of the danger? This I do not know. The truly converting refugees are not the problem, and I am sure there is a way to confirm it, but I can’t see the West letting that common sense answer make any difference.
I’ve always noticed that Afghanis can be absolutely beautiful. Remember the picture on the cover of Natl Geo many years ago. Since then I’ve kept my eyes open, they do tend to have a different, striking, appearance.
It can be very striking to be sure.
I find it more striking that these people are hell bent on maintaining a tribal existence.
A tribal existence based on Islam which is an abusive death cult.
Modernity certainly has its problems and challenges for them and I could care less if they were only able keep it to themselves.
It seems like the European churches are pretty solid in at least some major regions, like I’ve said before I’m always surprised when I head to Europe for business because it defies the picture a lot of I think had in mind for it as being secular, soft, relative and PC about everything. There’s been a surprisingly strong revival of evangelical churches in much of the continent, oddly enough with some of the major examples being in Scandinavia.
In fact one of the Christian revivals even got a special name, translated to something like “awakening on the Danube” or to that effect, and it’s probably one of the branches involved in the mass baptisms of the refugees. I’m a little fuzzy on all the details (my German wasn’t good enough to understand the article in full), but it was a joint effort of some local revivalists teaming with Mennonites who came over to Austria and Germany from Canada in the mid 1990’s, I think from Ontario or maybe Manitoba, and later joined by a growing team of preachers from the US and Australia. From the Danube area it then spread all over Europe, up into Scandinavia but even down into the Catholic countries like France and around the Mediterranean.
The story was that they started reaching out to the local population in small Austrian and German villages and towns, but then they began having a surprising influx of new members among the immigrant populations. Turns out a lot of the “Turks” in Germany were actually just Christian minorities from Turkey to begin with, but then even many of the Muslims there, not only out of Turkey but also Bosnians and Albanians, began flooding into the churches asking for baptism. That’s apparently what gave the pastors the idea to translate the Bibles and hymns into the languages of the formerly Muslim migrant populations, which had the double benefit of both winning more migrant converts, and also providing the new converts with the tools to even go and evangelize their neighbors back home in Turkey and other Middle Eastern countries, even with all the risks involved in that.
Great commentary, spot right on. That’s what the pastors in Germany and elsewhere in Europe were saying, the converts took to the churches and their new faith with incredible zeal, it’s like they’d been awakened from a nightmare that had trapped them for over centuries. The pastors did look for signs of sincerity, but they rarely found anything to raise doubt even though they were suspicious at first. Not only in the way people changed their diets and the way they dressed, but altering their full names just like the locals, regular church attendance and making sure their kids went regularly and prayed, contributing, really getting into key questions about doctrine, plus like I said even taking the risk of going back to their home countries to evangelize. Incredibly they were even so enthusiastic that among those who could speak good enough German or French, they were even able to bring many of the locals into the church.
It just makes me all the more cynical about our elites, clearly there’s a hunger even within the Middle East to leave the oppression of Islam and embrace a belief system that frees them. Yet our elites don’t want that, they actually want radical Islam to grow here and abroad because they know it divides and damages Western society, and gives them excuse to impose their power as despots, an excuse to take our guns and cut down our culture. It’s exactly the thing the founders of the Frankfurt School talked about when they started cultural Marxism, which even the Soviets hated, the ones with an economic view of Marxism kicked out the cultural Marxists because they knew the Frankfurt School people were just there to set people against each other. That’s where PC comes from, it’s all about weakening the West and setting men and women against each other, while promoting radical and divisive ideologies and changing the demographics so much that they have an excuse to control us and impose globalism. That’s where BLM comes from, it’s where the Orlando and San Bernardino shootings come from, the Frankfurt School people love this because it fits right into their goals. They’ve created a very sick and disgusting ideology so its no wonder they like radical Islam so much, they’re both despotic peas in a pod.
That’s right, that famous Nat Geo that’s always on all their subscription ads, the girl with the striking green eyes. Didn’t know she was AFghan, what an incredible image!
My husband and I have seen the same in our denomination. If they are not converted then they should all be awarded Oscars for the best actors of the year. Amazing really and they are evangelists bringing in other converts. I believe that there is a hunger for a more loving and rational way to live and Christianity is the way.
Another amazing set of pictures and background from my friend who’s worked in that area, he says that in North Africa, the original people aren’t Arabs at all, they’re Berbers and actually look very European to begin with, so it wasn’t just a matter of Roman or Vandal empires there. Even almost all the “Arabs” in North Africa are actually Berbers stuck between two cultures, and he says this is why there’s been a recent movement among a growing number of North Africans to embrace Christianity and other faiths outside of Islam. It apparently began with a lot of the Moroccans in Spain, France and Italy joining Catholic churches, but now it’s spread to many towns and cities in Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Mauritania and Tunisia themselves. Just like in the Levantine countries I guess, there’s a growing push in North Africa for the people to reconnect to their pre-Islamic heritage, plus they hate what ISIS and the other Muslim radicals are doing. They consider themselves to be more European and cultured, I presume much like the Syrians and Afghans, and so are moving in same direction, with a Christian revival throughout the Maghreb (my friend says that’s the common term for the region). He says many of the Berbers call themselves “Amazigh” or “Kabyle” (I’m not quite sure about that part, it was a long reference) and they’re the ones leading the move to rejoin Christianity.
And yeah the Berbers and “so-called” Arabs in a lot of those parts in North Africa certainly look European, I’d have a tough time telling them apart from even many northern Europeans based on the pictures—
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What a fascinating look, clearly European looking but still somehow exotic
If they “convert” to Christianity, it would put them in mortal peril to be returned to the Middle East. Thus they can claim asylum.
Also another point is that the churches with the main growth in Germany and Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Scandinavia, Belgium and Netherlands have been mainly the evangelical and Revival churches more than the traditional ones. There has been a big growth in Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity in Germany and France too, but that’s mainly because of all the millions of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Serbs, Croatians and other Catholic and Orthodox eastern European immigrants coming in over past decade. (Even with all the attention on the refugees in 2015, far more east Europeans came, more than a million from the new EU countries alone before we even get into the ones from Russia or Ukraine outside EU, now they’re saying after Brexit since the Poles can’t come to UK anymore, they’re expecting upwards of 1.5 to 2 million into Germany and France next year and thus a big Catholic and Orthodox growth, though not as much from conversion apparently.)
Whereas, the refugees from Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Afghanistan and Iran overwhelmingly are converting to the more evangelical revival churches. Many of them have been founded in the last decade from what I’ve heard, so the “Danube Awakening” or whatever it’s called has already been a major success, and is providing something like an infrastructure to baptize and minister to the new arrivals coming in.
Paul wasn’t a muslim..
Ditto!
While I know that probably thousands of Iranians...are not happy living under the regime.
Iran once was very pro-western....
Glad the family escaped....if it's true.
No but he wasn’t trusted because he was basically a terrorist before he met Jesus
Persians hate Arabs, it both racial and religious.
Arab, from the original Hebrew, means “mixed company” or “mixed people”. Gulf Arabs are a mixture of races including Africa.
Persian are Shiite. Shiites firmly believe in the bloodline of the profit Mohammed. Mohammed’s cousin married his daughter Fatima, Mohammed cousin the fourth caliph was murdered with him son (Mohammed’s grandson) by a Sunni warlord from Syria. In addition, Mohammed’s son-in-law and cousin’s head was later put on display on a wall in...take a guess...DAMASCUS. Hmmm, and Iranians are freelancing in Syria. So...anyway. A Sunni severed the bloodline of the profit and Mohammed’s grandson would never become Caliph. Shiites firmly believe this was a great tragedy, Sunni’s downplay the significance. This is the original source of Shitte vs Sunni strife.
It’s not dirty laundry that Muslims of any variety want aired and that’s why you probably never heard it.
Really????
Trust, but verify
I see, so that’s how the Sunni-Shiite blood-feud got started. One Persian guy I knew said it also had something to do with the original Arab attack on Iran going all the way back to like the 7th century, even now the Persians as a whole have a very difficult relationship with Islam and more and more yearn to connect up closer with the original belief system there pre-Islam, from Zoroaster. The mullahs are frightened of that.
Also that’s maybe partly why the Iranians are Shiite, for them it was a way to assert their non-Arab identity as Persians. Some Iranians even go so far as to say that their system “isn’t even really Islam”, they often don’t do the pilgrimage to Mecca because they hate the Arabs in Saudi Arabia so much. In fact the people in Iran hate the mullahs they see them as tools of the hated Arabs. Once the mullahs fall, there could be a very radical change in Iran’s culture and identity, away from Islam and back even more to it’s own traditions.
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