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Help! Can Someone Exlain What a "Procedural Vote" Is in the U.S. Senate?
August 19, 2016 | vanity

Posted on 08/19/2016 6:48:11 PM PDT by MrChips

OK, so I understand that the Republicans in the Senate passed a vote on the Zike virus legislation 52 to 48, but that "because it was a procedural vote, it required 60 to pass. Thus, the Democrats blocked it (for various reasons I don't need to get into). Just what does it mean for it to be a "procedural vote"? I don't understand.


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KEYWORDS: cloture; senatezika
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1 posted on 08/19/2016 6:48:11 PM PDT by MrChips
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To: MrChips

I think they use it whenever the opposing party doesn’t get enough Bribe Money to go along.


2 posted on 08/19/2016 6:50:25 PM PDT by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: MrChips
They have created these things called search engines:

Rules and Procedure of the U.S. Senate

3 posted on 08/19/2016 6:51:13 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: MrChips

of or relating to procedure; especially : of or relating to the procedure used by courts or other bodies administering substantive law


4 posted on 08/19/2016 6:52:03 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: MrChips

really, you should know about the cloture rule of the Senate.


5 posted on 08/19/2016 6:52:58 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Robert DeLong

“They have created these things called search engines:”

Wow! That’s amazing!


6 posted on 08/19/2016 6:53:16 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Robert DeLong

I thought was a rule on FR that required a certain number of satirical or wrong answers before you post something like that.


7 posted on 08/19/2016 6:53:39 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: MrChips

A procedural vote is any vote that is not on passage of the measure.


8 posted on 08/19/2016 6:58:15 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Robert DeLong

Yes, but you have to know what to enter. Thanks for this page.


9 posted on 08/19/2016 7:11:29 PM PDT by MrChips (Ad sapientiam pertinet aeternarum rerum cognitio intellectualis - St. Augustine)
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To: Rockingham

SO, all such votes require 60? Wierd.


10 posted on 08/19/2016 7:13:31 PM PDT by MrChips (Ad sapientiam pertinet aeternarum rerum cognitio intellectualis - St. Augustine)
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Back in the day, when they had filibusters, they actually had filibusters.

Now they just wave their hands and deem that they had a filibuster.


11 posted on 08/19/2016 7:17:13 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Timpanagos1

Does it mean they vote on how to go about the vote?


12 posted on 08/19/2016 7:18:21 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: MrChips

The rules of the Senate are set by those in control. Unless the rules exclude it, any bill has to be voted on several times. The procedural vote is that requires an end to debate, or cloture, requires 60 votes.

The purpose of cloture is to give the minority party an opportunity to prevent being trampled by a majority. This is usually true no matter which parties are in control.

Without closing debate the bill is laid on the table and it expires when the congress is adjourned.


13 posted on 08/19/2016 7:18:59 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: MrChips
Perhaps this will help
14 posted on 08/19/2016 7:19:42 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: MrChips

It is really a form of that old popular John F. Kerry adage: I was against it before I was for it.


15 posted on 08/19/2016 7:21:05 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Trump-Pence, Kelli Ward 2016)
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To: MrChips

In1917, senators adopted a rule (Rule 22), at the urging of President Woodrow Wilson, that allowed the Senate to end a debate with a two-thirds majority vote, a device known as “cloture.” The new Senate rule was first put to the test in 1919, when the Senate invoked cloture to end a filibuster against the Treaty of Versailles. Even with the new cloture rule, filibusters remained an effective means to block legislation, since a two-thirds vote is difficult to obtain. Over the next five decades, the Senate occasionally tried to invoke cloture, but usually failed to gain the necessary two-thirds vote. Filibusters were particularly useful to Southern senators who sought to block civil rights legislation, including anti-lynching legislation, until cloture was invoked after a 60 day filibuster against the Civil Right Act of 1964. In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or 60 of the current one hundred senators.


16 posted on 08/19/2016 7:38:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or 60 of the current one hundred senators.

A key part of that rule is that it requires 3/5 (60) of all sitting senators - not just those who are present. So to get cloture, you need the full 60 votes. On the other hand, you can 'call the question' with a simple majority of those present. Which means take an immediate vote. The issue then passes or fails with a simple majority of those present (as long as there is a quorum, 51 total present).

So the party that is filibustering the issue doesn't have to have anyone in attendance - so long as the party wanting to end debate can't get 60. Yet the party who wants to pass the issue (actually, who wants to end debate on the issue) always needs to keep a majority in the chamber, else the 'opposition party' will bring in enough to gain a majority of those present, call the question, and vote down the issue. And senators who don't want to be part of the quorum (to stop a vote from being held at, say, 3:00am some morning) can't just 'not show up' when a quorum is called. They can send the sergeant at arms after them and physically require them to come if they can find them, which means anywhere in the DC area.

That's why they don't do 'real' filibusters any more. It's too hard on the party that wants to end debate.

I still think the Republican leadership should require 'real' filibusters, even if it means they have to have people in the chamber or standing by. Make the party that wants to debate get up and talk - which will show how inane their arguments are.

But that would require actual leadership . . .
17 posted on 08/19/2016 8:10:17 PM PDT by Phlyer
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To: MrChips

They were voting on whether to vote on the bill.


18 posted on 08/19/2016 8:11:10 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: smokingfrog

OK, thanks. I have always understood the filibuster and the needed 60 votes. I just did not realize that this applies to all proposed legislation. So, in effect, when a party has fewer than 60 seats, it does not really control the Senate. Democrats who say “Well, the Republicans control both houses and therefore it is their fault” when something is not passed, are speaking nonsense. It takes 60 votes to “control” things.


19 posted on 08/19/2016 8:37:18 PM PDT by MrChips (Ad sapientiam pertinet aeternarum rerum cognitio intellectualis - St. Augustine)
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The 60 vote requirement is the threshold needed to invoke cloture and break a filibuster, which is commonly applied to prevent the Senate from taking up an issue. The adoption of Senate rules at the beginning of every Congress though requires only a majority vote, and it is those rules that specify that it takes 60 votes to break a filibuster. A new Senate could do away with the filibuster or reduce the number of votes or change its availability.


20 posted on 08/19/2016 9:01:12 PM PDT by Rockingham
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