Posted on 02/09/2017 5:57:55 PM PST by Trteamer
I am sick and tired of the Eco-profiteers using CO2 as the climate boogeyman to fleece our pockets and brainwash our youth. Carbon footprint this and offset credits that, what a bunch of hogwash. Get your facts straight folks and hit back with these figures....
Ok, so the big panic is that CO2 levels are rising and causing havoc. Ask the Global Warmers a few questions. First, in Part-Per-Million (ppm) what is the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere? How fast is it increasing yearly in parts-per-million? What percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is man made? A true believer of CO2 boogyman syndrome should be able to answer these simple questions don't you think?
CO2 levels in the atmosphere are 400ppm. Yearly increase taken on the high side is 2ppm. Human caused CO2 is 3-4 percent of all the CO2.
4% of 2 parts per million equals .08ppm
Think about that for a while. Man is causing global CO2 levels to rise at a yearly rate of .08 parts per million.
Eight 100th's of 1 part-per-million per year???
You get the deer in the headlights look when you counter the warmers in a discussion. It's rather enjoyable...
My experience:
You ask them, “Our atmosphere at sea-level is very generally WHAT percent CO2...?”
They don’t even know THAT.
Btt
We’re at 400ppm now.
10,000 years ago we were at 170ppm.
All plant life on Earth dies at 150ppm.
Consider that our very fine sun was on a roll for a while, and heated things up slightly. (It's a cyclic thing.)
Also consider that warmer water hold less dissolved gasses than does colder water. Meaning that if our oceans were saturated with dissolved CO2, and if the water warmed up, then be would observe higher levels of atmospheric CO2.
Then consider that water is slow to change temperature. If solar radiation increased tomorrow, ocean temps would be slow to warm up, correspondingly.
All this to say that if solar radiation increased (and it did) then oceans would warm (slowly) and (slowly) release increased CO2 to the atmosphere.
"This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history.
"This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. That will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 - you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation."
--Christiane Fugueres, Executive Secretary of UNFCCC
Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many 'facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.
Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).
Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110308203927/http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
____________________________________________________________
So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?
Wrong. The most important players on the greenhouse stage are water vapor and clouds [clouds of course aren't gas, but high level ones do act to trap heat from escaping, while low-lying cumulus clouds tend to reflect sunlight and thereby help cool the planet -etl]. Carbon dioxide has been increased to about 0.038% of the atmosphere (possibly from about 0.028% pre-Industrial Revolution) while water in its various forms ranges from 0% to 4% of the atmosphere and its properties vary by what form it is in and even at what altitude it is found in the atmosphere.
In simple terms the bulk of Earth's greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth's greenhouse effect -- perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth's total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, 'Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,' Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).
The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other 'minor greenhouse gases.' As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.
http://web.archive.org/web/20100317023946/http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse
_________________________________________________________
Water Vapor Confirmed As Major Player In Climate Change
ScienceDaily (Nov. 18, 2008) — Water vapor is known to be Earth's most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change.
Tell them they exhale CO2 and give them plastic bags so they can fix the problem
Add this to the list:
Nitrogen accounts for 78% of the atmosphere, oxygen 21% and argon 0.9%. Gases like carbon dioxide, nitrous oxides, methane, and ozone are trace gases that account for about a tenth of one percent of the atmosphere.
Flowering plants first appeared about 130 mya at a time when CO2 levels were about 1,700 ppm. Seems like such a major change in plant physiology, which now makes up approx. 80% of all plant species, would have occurred when conditions were optimal for plants in general.
I always ask...
“What’s the temperature supposed to be?”
This is fun if you have a few minutes:
GW for Dummies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq4Bc2WCsdE
Regards,
HLB
I don’t understand those figures. If we’er at 400ppm and all plant life on earth dies at 150ppm then how did plant life thrive 10,000 years ago and especially why do I have to cut my lawn this weekend.
I must be missing something.
It gets better:
C3 crops like rice and the other basic grains that feed the world, they benefit much more from higher atmospheric co2 levels than the c4 weeds they compete against.
AND higher co2 levels mean crops use less water.
So... with higher atmospheric co2 levels, crops grow stronger, faster, with higher yields and less herbicides and irrigation is needed.
The first and only question one needs to ask the Eco-profiteers is.... WHAT IS CO2 ?
We should tell these ECO WARRIORS that NITROGEN is deadly. That there is too much NITROGEN in the air.
Bump
“I don’t understand those figures. If we’er at 400ppm and all plant life on earth dies at 150ppm then how did plant life thrive 10,000 years ago and especially why do I have to cut my lawn this weekend.”
It didn’t thrive, we were in a glaciation, and life barely made it.
All life forms adapt to the environment, or go extinct. Small changes over long periods of time are just what 'life forms on Earth' are good at adapting to. The Earth's 'environment' has changed many, many times over the eons. Yet... life still exists on this planet. If some minor change in the mix of gases of our lower atmosphere could kill off all life, or cause the Temperature to raise so high it killed off all life, we wouldn't be here talking about it.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.