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Cosmic test backs 'quantum spookiness'
Nature ^ | Feb 2, 2017 | Elizabeth Gibney

Posted on 02/13/2017 6:49:25 PM PST by Ray76

A version of an iconic experiment to confirm quantum theory has for the first time used the light of distant stars to bolster the case for a phenomenon that Albert Einstein referred to as “spooky action at a distance”.

Preliminary analysis indicates that in this case, most — and possibly even all — of the experiments yet again supported quantum mechanics, says Morgan Mitchell at the Institute of Photonic Sciences (ICFO) in Barcelona, Spain, which coordinated the event. “Sorry, Einstein,” he says.

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To: TexasGator

Thanks for pointing out what this latest finding or development is.


21 posted on 02/13/2017 7:41:58 PM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: Prince Caspian

Perhaps it will also explain how young earth and old earth ( universe) creationism can both be true depending upon where in the universe you are observing and measuring from


22 posted on 02/13/2017 7:48:11 PM PST by boxlunch (Pray for Donald Trump's safety, for his family and cabinet. Make America Good Again!)
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To: Prince Caspian
The universe starts looking less like a real thing, and more like a grand idea. Welcome to the matrix.

I read the other day of a quantum physicist saying the same thing. I can't recall the name but he is well known. A person could point to that as evidence of Gods existence.

23 posted on 02/13/2017 7:58:54 PM PST by BipolarBob (I thought money was burning a hole in my pocket but it was just my Samsung Note 7.)
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To: Prince Caspian
Quantum theory most definitely is not predetermination. It's the antithesis. Good news for those enjoy the idea of free will. Predeterminism would belong more to Newton's world of cause/effect, action/reaction.

Divine orchestration is the mechanism by which free will freely chooses that which is predestined. :)

24 posted on 02/13/2017 7:59:48 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ray76

See Bell’s Theorem. David Bohm, Wholeness and the Implicate Order. The universe uses higher dimensions for system maintenance for lower dimension conservation of charge, spin, etc.


25 posted on 02/13/2017 8:03:33 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

I wonder if Godels Incompleteness Theorem is true in higher dimensions.


26 posted on 02/13/2017 8:10:14 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious")
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To: Bratch

..you read their paper...


27 posted on 02/13/2017 8:11:04 PM PST by Pelham (liberate Occupied California)
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To: Ezekiel

I like that. But, man, that encompasses some sticky issues. The only thing that is certain is that we don’t understand it. We don’t even know how much there is of what we don’t understand. I like that, too. It bodes well for eternity.


28 posted on 02/13/2017 8:29:30 PM PST by Prince Caspian
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To: Williams

Yes the “sorry Einstein” is childish and he did contribute magnificently to science . ( but he did argue against this “strange spooky action at a distance” stuff — famously so).


29 posted on 02/13/2017 9:11:33 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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To: dangus

Not unless the fundamentals of quantum mechanics turn out to be wrong.

If you have two entangled particles, any manipulation of one should instantly affect the other. However, for the receiver to try and retrieve any information about that manipulation, they would have to take a measurement, which would also affect the state of the particles. The receiver can not be certain what the state of the particles was before they took the measurement.

Quantum teleportation can transmit the information accurately, but it requires an additional, non-quantum line of communication that can only travel as fast as the speed of light. So quantum teleportation can’t break that barrier either.


30 posted on 02/13/2017 9:43:51 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Prince Caspian

“The universe starts looking less like a real thing, and more like a grand idea. Welcome to the matrix.”

The concept does in fact resemble, roughly, the kinds of “shortcuts” that programmers use in simulations. If you are building a computer game with a giant world and thousands of mobile objects, you don’t have the simulation play out every detail constantly, because that wastes processing power simulating things the player is not around to see. You only simulate in real time perhaps one level, or even the immediate area that the player can see, then just shift the area you are simulating as the player moves and looks around.


31 posted on 02/13/2017 9:48:55 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

That’s a great analogy.


32 posted on 02/13/2017 10:01:02 PM PST by Prince Caspian
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To: Prince Caspian
This is why the power of positive thinking is so strong.

If you believe you will succeed then the universe cooperates.

33 posted on 02/13/2017 10:40:09 PM PST by Democrat_media (Yellen raising rates with only 1.8% growth to hurt Trump send USA to depression)
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To: Boogieman

This universe could be a computer simulation.


34 posted on 02/13/2017 10:41:26 PM PST by Democrat_media (Yellen raising rates with only 1.8% growth to hurt Trump send USA to depression)
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To: Boogieman

Proof this universe is a computer simulation

http://thespiritscience.net/2016/05/14/we-live-in-a-computer-simulation-heres-the-proof/


35 posted on 02/13/2017 10:46:48 PM PST by Democrat_media (Yellen raising rates with only 1.8% growth to hurt Trump send USA to depression)
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To: Prince Caspian

Nothing unreal exists.


36 posted on 02/14/2017 5:02:47 AM PST by AceMineral (One day men will beg for chains.)
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To: Prince Caspian; Ancesthntr; Mr. M.J.B.; amorphous; cyn
The only thing that is certain is that we don’t understand it. We don’t even know how much there is of what we don’t understand. I like that, too. It bodes well for eternity.

I like to think that 'spooky action at a distance' is better explained by exchanging the word 'distance' with 'vista', or 'long view'.

For example, when people start noticing [as the narrative plays out] that seemingly random events, circumstances, or outcomes have had great effect on their lives, the entire facade of happenstance starts to become exposed for the illusion that it is. Either it's all random, or it's all orchestrated. Everything is too contingent upon everything else for any individual component to be random. Just because a person doesn't recognize a plan in real time, or at all, doesn't mean there isn't a plan.

Furthermore, life for the most part is a series of conscious, free will decisions; yet in the long broader view, these are the workings out of a grand plan far outside the capacity of the human mind to understand, much less orchestrate. Similar to a parent knowing exactly what little Johnny will do, or did do, given a certain set of circumstances and choices. The kid is always is left wondering in amazement how his mother... knew. ;)

The spirit (Hebrew or Greek, also meaning wind, air), cannot be separated from the physical, because every intended action/creation begins there with a thought, plan, idea, mental blueprint. Physical reality IS the product of the mental action. It is a simple concept that is ubiquitous, like air itself, so it tends to go wholly unnoticed. What is weather forecasting? Observing what is going on in the heavens (the wind, air patterns), in order to ascertain what will be the reality on the ground. If a forecast doesn't accurately predict an outcome, it's a problem with the model, the algorithm, the limited data with which to work. There was reason the storm dumped 24" of snow instead of 12". It was never a matter of 'instead', but rather 'we didn't see that coming.'

My favorite account in the Bible is the entire life of Joseph, starting with Jacob's weddings and the interactions between the sisters. But then it really gets going when Joseph has a couple of dreams, at a point in life when his brothers already envied and despised him. He ends up down a well, sold into slavery, falsely accused by that cougar woman, tossed into jail and left for dead, forgotten about by the chief butler (how on earth could he forget?!)... well you see what went on. Divine orchestration and rectification. Many individuals were making free will choices over many years, but there was a grand plan. The revealing of the hidden:

Gen 45

4. And Joseph said to his brothers, Come near me, I beg you; And they came near; And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom you sold into Egypt:
5. Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that you sold me here; for God did send me before you to preserve life:
6. For these two years has the famine been in the land; and yet there are five years, when there shall neither be plowing nor harvest:
7. And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance:
8. So now it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt:

The brothers sold, but God sent. And the word for ruler is 'mashal', which is also the word for 'parable' (allegory, analogy, likeness). God does not skip one single detail. Why everyone will necessarily bow. :)

If you go back to the text where this particular narrative began (Gen 37), there is an interesting comment by Joseph's father:

9. And he [Joseph] dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brothers, and said, Behold, I have again dreamed a dream; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me:
10. And he told it to his father, and to his brothers; and his father rebuked him, and said to him, What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall I and your mother and your brothers indeed come to bow down ourselves to you to the earth:
11. And his brothers envied him; but his father kept the matter in mind. (lit. he watched/guarded the word)

The numeric value of 'What is this dream that you have dreamed?' is 1130, which is double the value of Messianic light (אור משיח), ohr Mashiach. Ohr is light (insight i.e. vision). Doubled. But I digress. What I am leading to is the very next word in the text, (הבוא) a form of the verb 'to come', that goes with the next sentence. Of course there is much much more, but for this limited scope read as:

What is this dream that you have dreamed that is coming?

This added word (14) makes the gematria of the string 1144, which is the same as "Megillat Esther" (מגילת אסתר) which means the revealing of the hidden. And of course the account in the book of Esther is all about Divine orchestration, with God never being mentioned once in the narrative. Yet He is obviously all over the place, behind the scenes coordinating all those seemingly random events.

Esther means 'star' and has a numeric value of 661, which is the eleventh star number.

Pharaoh named Joseph Tzafnat Paneach, a 'cipher decipherer', based on Joseph's keen insight. Lo and behold, right there in the text is a key to decipher a cipher, in the phrase 'shem Yosef Tzafnat Paneach' (the name of Joseph is Tzafnat Paneach). The last letters of each word, which is also a skip of 4 letters, spells mafteach (מפתח), "key".

What is all this stuff? Spooky action at a distance. :)

I could go on about Rachel and the incident with the dudaim ('mandrakes') - what she saw at a distance. Joseph inherited her eyes, so to speak. Vista. The long view. What Bilaam saw..

Can't separate the spiritual from the physical. It's all... orchestrated.

37 posted on 02/14/2017 8:41:16 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ezekiel
Can't separate the spiritual from the physical. It's all... orchhestrated.

No you can not, and you see it in scripture. For example, Enoch's description of the four corners that hold up the world can relate to the four known forces.

Even God describing to Mosses how the tabernacle was to be constructed, mentions "units", something fundamental to quantum theory. There are others that need further exploring.

38 posted on 02/14/2017 8:52:19 AM PST by amorphous
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To: Democrat_media
James Sylvester Gates Jr. a leading physicist and science advisor to President Obama

i stopped reading right there...

39 posted on 02/14/2017 4:00:58 PM PST by Chode (may the RATS all die of dehydration from crying)
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