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Confederate Veteran John Mosby Knew the Lost Cause Was Bull
War is Boring ^ | May 1, 2017 | Kevin Knodell

Posted on 05/01/2017 7:54:06 AM PDT by C19fan

John S. Mosby, known as the “Gray Ghost,” was a Virginian who became legendary for his leadership of Mosby’s Rangers—a band of Confederate guerrilla fighters that harassed the Union Army and went toe-to-toe with George Armstrong Custer in the Shenandoah Valley.

Mosby is still highly regarded as a strategist and tactician and is studied to this day by practitioners of unconventional warfare. He lived a long life, dying early in the 20th century, and was also a lawyer, a diplomat and author who wrote about his experiences during the war.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civil; dixie; mosby; virginia; war
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To: pierrem15

“But it’s not so complicated that we can’t see it for what it was—a war over slavery.”

Let me ask the question this way: If the South was fighting for slavery, who was fighting against slavery?


21 posted on 05/01/2017 8:34:07 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: CodeToad

Yamamoto was against the attack on Pearl Harbor. Amazing how the leaders think differently. Maybe they really don’t believe their own thoughts.


22 posted on 05/01/2017 8:34:09 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: C19fan

-PJ

23 posted on 05/01/2017 8:35:08 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Romans Nine

“Eli Whitney and John Deere freed the slaves.”

Eli Whitney’s invention created a need for more slaves. Not less.


24 posted on 05/01/2017 8:35:46 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: C19fan
“Mosby realized that he was swept up in history and that his loyalty to friends and family made him fight for a cause that he didn’t entirely support.”

This is the opinion of the article's author.

In his Memoirs, Mosby tells it a little different: “No one clung longer to the Confederacy than I did, and I can say with the champion of another lost cause that if Troy could have been saved by this right hand even by the same it would have been saved.”

25 posted on 05/01/2017 8:47:07 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: nikos1121

What? No one knew that Hood burned Atlanta trying to keep military supplies from Sherman? :)


26 posted on 05/01/2017 8:49:50 AM PDT by Ingtar (.)
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To: SanchoP
Well, that and sugar beets:

By 1840 about 5% of the world's sugar was derived from sugar beets, and by 1880 this number had risen more than tenfold to over 50%

Wikipedia.

Certainly explains why Brazil ended slavery in 1888: it was no longer profitable.

27 posted on 05/01/2017 8:50:43 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: C19fan

There were two Mosby TV shows in my era

The term Lost Cause is misapplied if it refers to confederates who opposed sesch

The Lost Cause wasn’t even coined till around 1900 as a reconciliation tool between former foes and then really ingrained in film


28 posted on 05/01/2017 8:54:39 AM PDT by wardaddy (Multiculturalism: Everyone wants to inhabit the world of white men with no white men in it)
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To: pierrem15
To be very particular, the war was about who was going to make the decision to end slavery and when: the southern States where slavery was practiced; or, the national government of the United States.

No it wasn't. That is just the propaganda that has been sold to justify the deaths of 750,000 people in a senseless war. The war was over who would control the money flow created by the Southern States.

Slavery got tossed in as a cause for the war effort about 2 years after the war started. Prior to that time, there was no intention of eliminating slavery.

The effort to portray the Civil War as an effort to free the slaves is contrary to the real history. It is just an after the fact rationalization for all the carnage.

29 posted on 05/01/2017 8:58:15 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: C19fan

I’m a c19fan fan here and appreciate your efforts

But that War is Boring site is kinda ‘tard


30 posted on 05/01/2017 8:58:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (Multiculturalism: Everyone wants to inhabit the world of white men with no white men in it)
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To: rockrr

No, they didn’t. Not for effecting law. That’s just your liberal bigotry spouting anti-southern propaganda.


31 posted on 05/01/2017 9:01:30 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: rpierce
Worth repeating.

It is not worth repeating because it is flat out wrong. It is a myth that has been built up in the aftermath of the destruction caused by the civil war to justify the very horrible thing that happened.

Lincoln had no intentions of doing anything about slavery when the Civil War began. The reason he invaded the South was to prevent independence, not to abolish slavery. He didn't even abolish slavery in the five Union states in which it was still occurring.

It wasn't until six months after the Civil War that all the Union States had given up slavery.

32 posted on 05/01/2017 9:01:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jeffersondem

Eli Whitney’s most famous quote:

“Git yer cotton-pickin’ hands off’n my gin!!”


33 posted on 05/01/2017 9:02:10 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Leaders know that leaders have people they report too. The dumb think leaders are in charge and can do anything they want.


34 posted on 05/01/2017 9:03:52 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: nikos1121

You asked the wrong folks

Atlanfrica is kept afloat by north Atlanta and the burbs


35 posted on 05/01/2017 9:03:53 AM PDT by wardaddy (Multiculturalism: Everyone wants to inhabit the world of white men with no white men in it)
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To: CodeToad

That was why passions ran high.


36 posted on 05/01/2017 9:05:21 AM PDT by odawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
The war was over who would control the money flow created by the Southern States.

"The South had always been solid for slavery and when the quarrel about it resulted in a conflict of arms, those who had approved the policy of disunion took the pro-slavery side. It was perfectly logical to fight for slavery, if it was right to own slaves." - John Mosby, "The Memoirs of Colonel John S. Mosby"

But hey, what did he know?

37 posted on 05/01/2017 9:08:44 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: pierrem15

The South saw secession as a strategy to preserve and even extend slavery, not just relinquish it slowly on terms of its choosing. Then, after the utter defeat of the Confederacy, the South spun the elaborate myth of the Lost Cause, which depicted the antebellum South as founded on happy slaves tending abundant fields, presided over by a gallant ruling class enjoying lives of virtue and noble leisure. The truth of the matter is that slavery was profoundly wrong, with the South both wrong and foolish to secede and go to war to try to preserve it.


38 posted on 05/01/2017 9:10:37 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: DoodleDawg
But hey, what did he know?

About the economic reasons why the North could not allow the South to be free of their control? He probably knew nothing of it.

Had the North not stopped the South, the South would have become an economic powerhouse and wrecked countless Northern industries.

If they couldn't control the money, they had to destroy it.

39 posted on 05/01/2017 9:13:02 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
It wasn't until six months after the Civil War that all the Union States had given up slavery.

But the process began much sooner. The first bill proposing an amendment to end slavery was proposed by James Ashley of Ohio in December 1863. The amendment passed the Senate in April 1864 but failed in the House. It passed the House in January 1865 and was sent to the states for ratification and that was completed in December 1865.

40 posted on 05/01/2017 9:15:43 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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