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Men on strike: the social changes that caused men to opt out of marriage
winteryknight ^ | 05/03/2017 | Wintery Knight

Posted on 05/19/2017 7:59:58 PM PDT by BJ1

I often encounter “pro-marriage” people while gathering stories for the blog. These pro-marriage people come in two varieties.

On the one end of the spectrum are people like Terrell Clemmons and Jennifer Roback Morse, who understand marriage, but who also understand the social changes that have made marriage unattractive for men. Both Clemmons and Morse have a background in STEM fields, so they are able to understand incentives and tradeoffs. They understand that society has to rollback the changes to education, divorce laws, etc. if they expect men to be interested in marriage again. They understand that men are not just accessories of women, but instead have their own desires, feelings and reasons for marrying.

On the other end of the spectrum are feminist men, who are not able to understand the changing incentives that face men in a world that has evolved under the influence of radical feminism. It is just simpler (less thinking) for these men to accept the radical feminism as a given, and then urge men to “man up”. I think a much better idea would be for the “man up” crowd to realize how marriage has changed, and how the schools and the workplace have changed, then make all of these things more attractive to men. It doesn’t do any good to try to “dare” men into jumping off a cliff. Men aren’t stupid, and they do what is in their own best interests. If the man-up crowd wants younger men to marry, then they need to change the incentives offered to men. And that means changing women first.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: genderwars; marriage; single
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To: Secret Agent Man

Good posting.


61 posted on 05/20/2017 2:23:39 AM PDT by octex
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To: SauronOfMordor
The only women who give “status” to men, are women who make the effort to keep themselves attractive, and make an effort to keep their men happy.

As opposed to Fat And Dumpy the Hillary who would never tolerate moving to support any male candidate? :?

62 posted on 05/20/2017 2:28:56 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the muzrims trying to kill them)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

What you’re saying is white men marry and care for black women

Not many I’d be attracted to

And they’d have to be white acting

I’m just not into acting black

It’d loud and impulsive


63 posted on 05/20/2017 2:32:48 AM PDT by wardaddy (Multiculturalism: Everyone wants to inhabit the world of white men with no white men in it)
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To: BJ1

Status?

Man there are a. Lot of pissed off boys here

Life is too damn short to stay pissed off at splittails

Man I could not live without my punani next to me...one I loved or at least liked a lot

A paid escort ain’t the same besides they’ll get their feelings into it all in time too

Women are a royal frustration and pain so I get it

But living without one....not me

And women breed babies...real men are fathers....you make em you raise em

Without kids I too likely would not marry


64 posted on 05/20/2017 2:39:14 AM PDT by wardaddy (Multiculturalism: Everyone wants to inhabit the world of white men with no white men in it)
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To: Yaelle
That is what is said that men want. But not all men really do.

Then I can only observe that you obviously have never had to stand there when a male friend of yours is trying so hard and failing not to cry because his ex- is taking the children out of state and he will never be able to see them again.

Men don't cry? Think again.

65 posted on 05/20/2017 2:40:14 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the muzrims trying to kill them)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I run a tight ship so my overworked husband can come home to a clean, peace-filled house and enjoy his adoring children. I love my part in making life better for him, his clients, and our children. The only people who have ever tried to shame me for my choices or make me feel inadequate were feminists.

I think feminism should be about showcasing the strengths of women, but it has always seemed to me that feminism was about being men and replacing men. sigh


66 posted on 05/20/2017 3:39:12 AM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: BJ1

How does one make the leap from having a STEM background to the ability “ to understand incentives and tradeoffs.”? Wouldn’t a business and/or economics background be more appropriate?


67 posted on 05/20/2017 3:56:36 AM PDT by pacific_waters
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To: nickedknack

My wife is originally from Colombia......so I understand your meaning


68 posted on 05/20/2017 5:37:19 AM PDT by rrrod (just an old guy with a gun in his pocket.l)
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To: BJ1

Because women have opted out of being women.


69 posted on 05/20/2017 5:38:50 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: BJ1
they won’t want a woman for the other things she can provide?

I am sure they can program nagging into the robo-woman.

70 posted on 05/20/2017 5:48:43 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: usconservative
Married 30 years. B**CH refused to work the last ten years and guess what? Divorced, she got half of everything I worked for including my pension AND is getting alimony for 10 years here in Illinois.

She needs to have an accident.

71 posted on 05/20/2017 5:50:54 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Fai Mao

What do they call ‘69’ in China?


72 posted on 05/20/2017 5:52:20 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

73 posted on 05/20/2017 6:01:19 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Secret Agent Man

When I was Young and stupid I started out as a monogamous dater. Unsuccessful in that endeavor I switch to polygamous dating. The competition factor kicked in and really improved my lot. Women love to know their man is wanted by other women. Perverse lot women...


74 posted on 05/20/2017 6:02:15 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
No, you dont have to embrace false religion in order to reject feminism and fight against it.

Show me a present-day Christian preacher who openly rejects feminism and declares that wives should submit to their husbands, and that a wife who divorces her husband other than for grave reasons is a sinner who should be shunned by fellow Christians.

And I'll show you a preacher with no women attending.

Modern day preachers understand that it is the wives who decide what church the family will attend, and tithe to.

75 posted on 05/20/2017 6:03:34 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: Fai Mao
I gave up on American women in 1984

You are without a doubt, the absolute smartest man on this thread. I'm not kidding.

76 posted on 05/20/2017 6:17:16 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: FreedomPoster
I’ve thought for a while that the sex robot will be the only thing to keep China stable, given the male demographic imbalances caused by many years of the one child policy combined with cultural desires and demands for a male heir.

China will be fine. As always, the wealthy will get the prettiest women, the rest with well-paying jobs will get the rest. The male poor will be the ones without women, and they will either be exported to defend China's investments in Africa (and in the process take African women) or the troublesome Muslim population in China's west will have their men exterminated and their women redistributed.

77 posted on 05/20/2017 6:23:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Utilizer
You still need to watch out for any foreign bride becoming americanized, as so many do. Your best chance for that is to choose to live in some area other than the urban environments where the Liberal Lesbians tend to prowl. Hate to say it, but the deeper into any city you live, the quicker your Significant Other will become radicalized no matter what her past and begin demanding what every other american female does without let or fail.

From what I hear from men who have married foreign brides, the most foolproof method may be to go live abroad. Never bring her to the US, always retain the option of leaving, and make sure that she realizes that if she changes into a raging feminist that you WILL leave her.

78 posted on 05/20/2017 6:47:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: central_va
When I was Young and stupid I started out as a monogamous dater. Unsuccessful in that endeavor I switch to polygamous dating. The competition factor kicked in and really improved my lot. Women love to know their man is wanted by other women. Perverse lot women...

Women want a high-status man.

What defines a high status man? Being a man who is wanted by multiple women, and where each woman is aware that he's seeing other women, and accepts that as the price of him giving her at least part of his time. Where the woman feels a sense of insecurity, and knows she has competition that she will need to beat in order to ultimately get commitment.

79 posted on 05/20/2017 6:55:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: All

I am an American Single Woman. I was raised by a single Father. Nearly everyone can understand the pain of heartbreak from failed relationships and acknowledge the uncertainties of life. Most everyone is aware of the farce we call our judicial system and what a horrible joke and assault on families and ladies feminism is. The hate and insults on all American ladies due to individual experiences in some of these posts are unjust enough to run some folks off. Please be aware there are a great deal of very good women - even good single ladies, in America and especially on FR. I know it is hard for men and women both to meet good people. But just like the ‘silent majority’ who elected our Great President, the good ones, especially women, aren’t normally noticed. Why? Because everything is judged by looks alone. Even on here, people post pictures of women and then say ‘guilty’ or ‘not guilty’ by their looks alone. Of course, you can tell a lot by some pictures. But only so much. Thank you for your consideration of this info. And please remember - ALL American ladies are not all those women you see screaming in the streets. There are many good ones out here. Hint - Most don’t look like models or hanging out in popular meet up places. And do really appreciate a kind man.


80 posted on 05/20/2017 7:41:16 AM PDT by TianaHighrider (Deplorable me)
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