Only if I was assured you got a kitten..........
Posted on 10/02/2017 4:02:52 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6
My assumptions:
(1) The shooter's location should have been immediately apparent to LEOs.
(2) The volume of shooting and the mass casualties should have given LEOs an extreme sense of both importance and urgency.
A 72-minute response-time does not correlate with either (1) or (2).
In my absence of information, it smacks of LEO commanders carefully planning a tactical approach, getting all the details right before proceeding, when in hindsight what was needed was a quick rush of the door--in seven minutes, not seventy-two. What am I missing?
Can you provide a source for your assertion?
So will a shotgun.
Who is going to stand in front of or on the side of that door to use that passkey ?
Not me. HP rifle will go through any of it
but a number of civilians had long guns in their vehicles and started suppressive fire rather quickly. It was much easier to ID the shooter's roost in the tower than in the hotel.
Would you? Brave talk from your armchair.
BTW, where did you get the 72 minutes? I heard it was about a half hour. In any case the firing didn't last nearly that long. Witnesses said it was about 5-15 minutes. So yeah, I would wait at that point.
Same with Columbine, actually muuuuch worse.
It was HOURS the SWAT team was waiting outside.
Victims were audibly calling out that they were bleeding to death, etc.
The level of SWAT excuse-making at Columbine was....epic.
“Water coming down from sprinklers that had been set-off, blinking visual alarms also made for a confusing situation, the perimeter was not yet secured....a bazillion other ones, too.”
VERY many people died at Columbine while the macho SWAT team cowered and wet their collective pants.
Then, as in every other mass shooting of the past few decades, there is the over-riding issue of finding spines stiff enough...
IMHO, 72-minutes would be a significant improvement over past school-shooting responses.
ML/NJ
Two bedroom suite with a living room between?
72 Minutes, see this NBC story
https://www.nbcnews.com/card/it-took-police-72-minutes-first-911-call-breach-paddock-n806836
As I've asked repeatedly, can you provide a source for your assertion?
As far as my armchair quarterbacking: you don't know anything about me, whether my actions equate with my words.
A load of .00 buck opens doors faster than your passkey will.
Thanks. Just wondering if this is of the same ilk. Las Vegas is an obvious terrorist target, so much planning is sure to have occurred, especially regarding crowded concert venues. That planning may have been seriously flawed.
Or it allows the powers-that-be the time to circle the wagons. (E.g. See the early reporting about Vince Foster.)
ML/NJ
My source is two witnesses interviewed on Fox. One said 5 minutes, the other 15.
Now where did you get your very exact 72 minutes?
And you’re right, I know nothing about you. So were you ever first through the door?
Another HUGE mistake at Columbine:
Dispatch told all terrified kids calling into 911, “You’ve got to STAY INSIDE”.
Well, uh....WHY..?
Inside was where the shooting was taking place, outside was more or less safe.
The people calling in to the cops had at least as much info as dispatch at that point, and that was still true 3 hours later.
Thanks.
Only if I was assured you got a kitten..........
Listening to the video, there is a lenghty gap between the heavy bursts.
As for me, keep wondering.
Anyway, thanks for the reference to the verbal news report. I'd prefer something written, but no one has provided it.
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