Not too difficult with a phone app.
Posted on 10/03/2017 12:23:28 PM PDT by Mariner
Rate the difficulty of this...
With a fully automatic rifle, from a range of 500 yards and a 30 deg down angle, at night with no tracers, put over 500 rounds in a "kill box" of approximately 2 acres.
Knowing a little about ballistics, angles and ranging. And have fired a fully automatic rifle recreationally, this seems to be extraordinary shooting.
Professional grade.
But I'm not a professional auto shooter. You are.
What do you say?
Hitting the crowd with a small plane would likely kill fewer people.
Look up the Reno air race crash from a few years back. It was a big plane and hit a large crowd. Killed a lot less.
Not too difficult with a phone app.
In a prior life...
Exactly. On semiautomatic with even halfway aimed fire he could have racked up ten times that body count. And nearly as fast.
I can’t claim to be a “pro” per se, but, as a former machine gunner (M-60 and M-2 - both crew-served weapons) and having carried and used a full-auto M-16 for several years, 500 rounds in a 2-acre area is no feat at all, especially from an elevated position of approximately 320 feet (10 feet per story). I participated in a few machine gun competitions and putting 250 rounds into a 400 square meter target (20m x 20M) at 300 meters was pretty commonplace - and that was on pretty level ground where we had to “walk” our rounds into the target.
“Then the real question is who supplied him and the guns”
Huh? “Supplied?” He bought them. Anyone can go buy an AR and put a bump stock on it.
spray and pray into an area where 22 thousand souls are packed shoulder to shoulder you’re going to hit something. At a quarter mile away even in a lit up area he wouldn’t be seeing individuals, just blobs of people. The muzzle flash at that high rate of fire would keep his ability to focus way off. Granted a trained auto rifleman would have inflicted more casualties, but 600 is a horribly high enough number. The scoped rifle would do him no good on auto or bump auto, only semi automatic.
Noticed that one of the newly released photo’s of one of the AR’s not only show the Bump-Fire stock as we have heard, but also a 60 rd Mag as opposed to the standard 30 rd. May be out there, but have not seen it mentioned regarding what appears to be a Surefire 60 rd Mag. Twice the firepower before mag change.
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Agree. Very easy
An acre is about 208 feet by 208 feet.
Zero in at 25 meters and you’re dead on at 500 meters.
With 55 grain at about 3000 fps, drop would be about 4 /1/2 to 5 feet at 500 yards.
If square, 2 acres is almost a football field on a side.
Shooting from a distance of 4 or 5 football fields...
With M-16s and 55 grain military ammo zeroed at 25 yards, we were on at about half that distance.
At that distance and elevation the elevation componsated distance to target I would think would be no more than 225-300 yards.
A distance most anyone with a few hours on a range can handle.
He wasn’t head hunting. He was just lobbbing rounds into a crowd of 20k. As I said yesterday, there has to be a very large number of pass thru shots that injured or killed others.
Very easy shooting fish in a barrel..no specific target, no aiming nor skill required.....
Not at all difficult to just hose the area which is what he did. Just be glad he didn’t have tracer rounds in the mix to help him judge where his rounds were falling.
That’s one thing that’s been bugging me. From what I can tell they turned all the lights on (as though the concert had ended). This just lit everyone up.
Downward angle into a kill box is not that hard. Especially with that much ammo and time. If this has any significant windage or elevation issues, I’d be more conspiratorial, than my screen name implies...
In an hour say 400rpm 60 mins 24,000 possible. Realistically he fired 8-10 k. He let’s say he hit 400 the rest is stampede injuries. The people in front were fenced in. Geez
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