Apple BatteryGate Non Scandal
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Posted on 12/27/2017 10:47:01 AM PST by Swordmaker
Recently, reports came out stating that Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) throttles CPU performance on older iPhone models with older lithium-ion batteries to prevent sudden shutdowns due to excessive current draw. SA contributor Paulo Santos has discussed this issue in his recent article, arguing that the company could be looking at $1-9 billion liability. Several class action lawsuits have already been filed as a result of this news. However, in my estimation, Apple has several defenses against the potential lawsuits. It will likely settle these lawsuits for trivial amounts or take them to judgment.
In this article, I explain how CPU throttling works, how it affects battery life and current draw, and why it's a legitimate solution for voltage drop issues on phones with older batteries.
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Apple bots don’t care, they worship apple.
I have seen it mentioned that one of the reason Apple is doing this is to extend the life of faulty batteries just enough so that the phone is out of warranty and so that Apple does not get stuck with the cost of replacing the battery.
Do you take the Apple approach of throttling the phones and not telling anyone, or the Samsung approach of waiting for the batteries to explode, and not telling anyone?
-PJ
We know they don't care, the question is why do you care?
I couldn’t read the article through to the end as I won’t register. I see no excuse for Apple to not disclose what was happening. I use an iPod Touch as my only handheld Internet device. I like it.
I also often use it when I am very close to a power source or have it plugged into the car’s cigar lighter, especially if I am listening to Tom Woods’ podcasts on long drives.
Battery life is NOT an issue, and I want full responsiveness of the device. I want the choice to turn the throttling off if I wish.
Ok, you have an older Iphone and Apple slowed it down with their software, How exactly are you Damaged?? There is NO DAMAGES because your phone goes a little slower processing, it is more than likely barely noticeable.
How exactly are you Damaged??
The upgrade made all of the kids phones along with my wife and my iP6’s worthless!
I just upgraded to the 8’s for Christmas... at considerable expense!
They should have refund some of the cost of the upgrade.
This is no scandal. They did nothing wrong. They should have announced it, or given a notification when the situation occurred, or allowed an opt-out.
What BS. As determined by the Department of Defense and also as specified in Apple’s warranty, the normal battery life of a Lithium Ion battery is 500 or so charge cycles at which point the battery will hold only about 80% nominal power.
The iPhone warranty is one year. If a user recharges their iPhone daily, which is the normal practice, that’s 365 charge cycles. It’s out of warranty already by the time it reaches 500. . . When it the normal battery drops below 80% charge capabilities. The majority of the iPhones that are showing both sudden shutdowns are over 1000 cycles. So, no. Apple was not doing this to extend the life of “faulty batteries”, but to keep iPhones with depleted batteries running with some functionality . . . these are the normal life span of normal batteries which DO and WILL degrade with use.
Of course no one is really damaged. However in our soft litigious society some people will look for an angle in which to sue.
Samsung phones are crap. Last week, my sister was complaining that her battery keeps dying on her Samsung phone, always causing her grief. She got stuck in the countryside because her phone died and the address she was going to was in the phone. She finally found a gas station in the remote area, and the attendant put a charge on her phone enough to get the address. She complained later, and again another day to me about her phone. I told her to buy an Apple iPhone and to trash the Samsung.
Finally, I met up with her and gave her two portable battery packs, a car charger and a wall AC adapter, and told her not to bother me again about her Samsung phone. Sheesh, Samsung owners are idiots.
Apple DID TELL in January 23, 2017 when iOS 10.1.2 was released with the battery power management algorithm for iPhone 6, 6s, and SE was included. There was discussion in there technical press about it then. I’ve cited and quoted several on FR in the last several days, but the current press has ignored that in favor of the hyped claim Apple hid it.
What’s different now is that John Poole, the creator of the Geek Bench test, started running his test on older iPhones with chemically depleted batteries, and found those ran the test slower than the test had run on the same phone model when it was new. His conclusion was that Apple was doing it deliberately to force users of older iPhone models to upgrade, rather than because the batteries were no longer capable of providing the power required run at full speed. He announced that conclusion publicly.
You are on the right track.
Its tricky to keep modern batteries charged correctly without having them go “Boom”
The issue here is trust in the company, which means Goodwill.
They may recover. Who knows?
A specific run of iPhone 6s models sold from September 2015 through October 2015 were manufactured with batteries that did not meet Apple’s specifications although the manufacturer certificied they did. They essentially did not last anywhere nearly as long as others would. Apple would replace those free of charge regardless of warranty on that model as long as it was in the effected serial number range which included those defective batteries. Those affected iPhones came from only one of three assembly plants that received those batteries from that supplier which lost the contract after that.
It was not the same problem as the shutdown caused by normal batteries becoming chemically depleted with normal cycle use as some are claiming to try and establish a “known problem” with this free battery replacement program as an earlier response to the same issue. These were actual defective, under-performing batteries that were not behaving as required in an identifiable subset of iPhones 6s units that once replaced with correct, new batteries did work correctly.
Invented drama... minute I heard the rumblings of this I assumed (correctly) it was related to battery life cycles. Personally I would have made it a selectable option in the settings and defaulted it to on, but hardly is this the drama item that apple haters and trial lawyers want it to be.
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