Jewish-American soldiers didn’t just fight Nazis in WWII — they endured anti-Semitism

Jewish Telegraphic Agency ^ | April 5, 2018 11:56am | Curt Schleier

[PA Engineer]

GI Jews: Jewish Americans in World War II” begins as many Holocaust documentaries do, with a history of the rise of Hitler and Nazism in Germany mixed with what is now standard archival footage of Brownshirts and Kristallnacht. Throw in interviews with some Jewish celebrities — in this case, Carl Reiner and his friend Mel Brooks wearing his old Army jacket — and it has all the workings of a typical PBS documentary.

But the film, which premieres April 11, on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day, quickly takes an unexpected turn. Jewish-American soldiers, the viewer learns, weren’t only fighting Nazis during the war — they had to battle the anti-Semitic prejudice of many of their fellow soldiers.

All told, some 550,000 Jews served in World War II. A few had experienced anti-Semitism at home already in the form of “Gentiles Only” signs, for example, which were found at some public facilities across the country.

[wmileo]

"Nope. Just don't like liberals posing as Americans. "

I have no dislike of liberals. I just don't agree with them. You can disagree without vilifying (or persecuting) them. They are just as much Americans as you are which is not saying much for them.

Otherwise, you could be called a prejudice bigot as well as a jackass.

[wardaddy]

You’re a GD crybaby

[wardaddy]

This poster also race baits and south bashes

Now I got it

Payback for anti semtism keeping it real

History warts and all

One of the worst threads I’ve ever seen here

Jews are victims in modern America

What utter self serving hogwash

[wmileo]

Agreed!

I accused him of trolling earlier. He is also an intolerant Diva.

[wardaddy]

Bullshit

You sound just like the OP

It’s so hard being Jewish and all in America and all

Poor me

Still crying cause the country club blackballed me for having a Jewish last name

This is ridiculous

We are now considering Jews victims in America...the most successful sub groups there is?

I’ll tell you why some fall for that tripe because being victim class beats anything

Yeah Jews were so persecuted in Dixie.....that’s a effing canard

Read about it

South Carolina in particular

First and only anti semitism I ever witnessed was against Jewish freedom riders who were never the saints portayed by the media....and it wasn’t just cause they were Jewish

This is indicative of our decline

This crap article on whhat should be the country’s premier website

[wmileo]

"Jews are victims in modern America"

70 years ago and earlier they were discriminated against by the powerful who were mostly white.

Today if they want to find an enemy, try the growing number of leftists on College Campuses and cult groups like the KKK, Ari-an Nation and the Nation of Islam.

[wardaddy]

That is not the true story on Judah Benjamin

Think about it

If Jews were so hated in Dixie how could he have been pretty much number two man in the government?

There is a book Jewish Confederates by Rosen

Ignorance on this forum is as usual rife

[wmileo]

"There is a book Jewish Confederates by Rosen"

Don't let Al Sharpton , Louis Farrakhan and the rest of the race baiting miscreants in on this. It will just support more lies like the blood libel and how the Jews were the real profiteers of the African Slave Trade.

There is enough propaganda perpetrated by the yenta who created of this thread. We don't need to feed more hatred and Crap to the miscreants.

[wardaddy]

This thread should have been dashed

420,000 men and boys and a few women from this country died fighting The Axis powers which among many other things freed many Jews from total annihilation

And I saw pics and reels of GIs crying at those camps and reprisals against guards they caught

Yet now some jackass wants to claim the victim wreath on their blood guts and death for instant virtue superiority free of charge to him

Makes me sick plus of course they have to get in some gratuitous south bashing at the same time

History warts and all?

Ok here’s one

What war pray tell was the last time Jews even came close to fighting in the USA military in numbers remotely near their percentage of the population?

Why shucks wardaddy I have no idea.

Oh no it must have been that danged WWII...you know the one with all the anti semites in it from here. killing other anti semites over yonder who talked funny

Same one my 17 year old uncle got his chest blown out in in the Ardennes just in country and bled out in the Belgian snow....at 17 damned years old....anybody here want to wager how young I know that is now from my rear view window of 60 years of age?

Did that prove maybe he paid enough redress to sate victimhood appropriators

Only Jews he ever knew in his life before he got killed were likely in the Bible he studied every Sunday

His mother never got over it I can tell you.

White Christian America is under assault for utter destruction or to bend the knee

This sort of logic is just more of the plan....I’m sure Meathead approves

I’m resisting it till I’m dead

People want history warts and all.....no they really don’t

They what history with everyone else’s warts....including canard warts

Here’s a real article on Jewish participation and valor in WWII....LONG READ BUT WORTH IT

http://www.jwmww2.org/VF/ib_items/1073/American%20Jews%20Serve%20in%20World%20War%20II.pdf

My first cardiologist when I was young was Dr Grossman....he was Patton’s staff junior doc

[Altura Ct.]

White Christian America is under assault for utter destruction or to bend the knee This sort of logic is just more of the plan....I’m sure Meathead approves I’m resisting it till I’m dead

100% well said... On your feet or on your knees. I know which I'll take.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

Our answer to “Country Clubs” for WASPS only was to start our own country clubs. It worked out nicely - better food.

Here’s a personal example of me, a Jewish guy going to a non-Jewish country club (I don’t know if the club had anything to do with any religion - just a country for anyone who could afford to join).

I went with a Catholic girl whose family was also part Jewish (owned a major pharmacy in my old neighborhood), and whose Jewish cousin became an important nun leader in her convent or church.

It was nice, and the host was Art Donovan, the famous Baltimore Colts football player. A really nice guy.

There were some parts of Baltimore where Jews were not welcomed, and they were white areas. Blacks treated us pretty well and we never had any problems with anti-Semitism in junior or senior high school.

Sometimes people are just “people” to those they meet. no pettigrees, no religious symbols, no nothing - just friendship and respect.

Those were the good old days from what we are experiencing today. My Jewish granddaughter can kick ass if need be (karate) but she also protects her all friends from people who pick on them. Maybe our first Jewish UFC champion, eh?

[wardaddy]

I’m a southerner and being that it is Free Republic with plenty of Jonah Goldbergs and Ben Shapiros and Rich Lowery types who bash my heritage and region incessantly I defend her vigorously

The book I mention is a detailed truth about the unparalleled freedom Jews had in the antebellum South
Written by a Jewish lawyer in South Carolina in the late 90s

Nothing to do with Sharpton

It was a rebuttal to a south bashers claim that the antebellum south was a nest of Anti Semtism

[Monterrosa-24]

You remind me why sarcasm tags are necessary. You attacked me when I was on your side to begin with.

[Cronos]

my post #53 was to pre-empt the possibility of the guy I was responding to quoting some "British-Israeliism"

Over the past 3700 year?

Your numbers are off:

• 5700 years of their history. "Jews" or let's be broad, "YHWH worshippers" are 3800 odd years of history, not 5700

  according to historical and Biblical evidence, Abraham was born somewhere in the range of 1852-1872 BCE and died 175 years later (1677-1697).
  
  The Mesha Stele has been dated to about 840-850 BCE, and seems to pretty clearly describe the time of Omri. If we assume it was written when the events happened, not long afterwards, we can use it to work backwards. Omri's reign began in the 31st year of Asa and lasted twelve years, which means that Asa's reign began around 870-890. Previously, Rehoboam ruled for 17 and Abijah for three. Although the transition is not entirely clear to me, the prior ruler was apparently Solomon for 40 years. In his fourth year, he started to build the temple, which was 480 years after leaving Egypt. So that takes us back 20+36+480 = 536 years further, to 1406-1426 BCE as the dates for the exodus.
  
  Now we come to a difficult stretch because there are, to my knowledge, no clear chronological links between Moses and, say, Joseph. Moses' grandfather Kehat was with Jacob on the way into Egypt, and if you add up all the ages that's a maximum of 350 years (actually surely less, since Kehat was not an infant), but it's not clear what the minimum was. The most direct statement is Genesis 15:13, which puts four hundred years between Abraham's offspring and the exodus. Since the phrase is "in a land that is not theirs", and Ishmael and Isaac did not start off owning the land, it seems that the most harmonious interpretation is that this was 400 years from Ishmael's birth. We find that Abraham was 86 years old at the time. The 400 years probably didn't end until after wandering in the wilderness for 40 years, so that's 360 years from Ishmael's birth to the exodus.

  
  
• "Jews have suffered 3700 years" -- that's also not quite true:
  
  1. 1700 BC would be perhaps the time of Jacob. Arguably the first persecution would be pre-exodus so 1400 BC
  2. The next was under various foreign rulers in the time of Judges
  3. The next being under the Assyrians
  4. Then the Babylonians
  
  
  
• And of course, Jews were not persecuted everywhere -- just in the lands ruled by their "successor religions", Christianity and Islam. Jews were not persecuted in Zoroastrian ruled Persia under the Sassanids, they were not persecuted in pagan Arabia before Moham and they were not persecuted in India until Muslim and Christian rulers came down south in the 16th century

[Cronos]

np, but also note that:

1. The "lost tribes" were never quite "lost en masse" -- ilke other ethnicities that were moved around by the Assyrians, they tended to assimilate with the locals. This wasn't such a big deal considering that the northerners moved away from monotheism well before the Assyrian conquest, and they were Semitic speakers, speaking languages similar to Akkadian and Babylonian, so easy to assimilate (like the Germanics in America)
   
   
2. Many Jews of today also include a lot of blood from Edomites/Idumeans -- the Maccabean kings conquered Edom and forcibly converted them to Judaism. They assimilated into Jewish society and were known as Idumean until the 3nd century AD -- Herod the great's family was Idumean. in an ironic twist of faith, the Idumeans died in the Bar Kochkba revolt. The ones who survived became fully assimilated

[wmileo]

"What war pray tell was the last time Jews even came close to fighting in the USA military in numbers remotely near their percentage of the population?"

Not one war since WWII. However the ones who did serve were heroes like the rest. One of the points I was trying without success to make to the yenta who posted this thread is that we should all look forward to the day when we refer to ourselves as Americans and not hyphonated-Americans.

[Cronos]

I must admit I find it a bit ironic that many Jews in America keep alive a Germanic language - Yiddish. Wouldn’t it make sense to switch to Hebrew?

[wardaddy]

I apologize.....sarcasm tag woulda helped

I will be honest

I was asleep and woke up with insomnia and saw this thread and it pissed me off

Nothing is sacred anymore

Nearly half a million lives but yet not good enough you know cause they were anti semites says PBS

I got a question

Is there a shelf life on the resentment cause grandpa doctor was refused membership in the country club or Harvard medical?

How many generations can claim to be victims of that heinous bigotry?

Are 420,000 dead GIs not enough or should we now smear their memories

I would wager the USA has had less anti semitism in our history than any nation that has ever had Jews in it maybe even less than Israel given some of those self hating kooks there

And I also propose Jews have never had it so good and are without question pound for pound the most successful group in the country andexponentially the most powerful politically and particularly in media and show business

So frankly I don’t want to hear the anti semitism finger pointed at my country especially on the backs of 420,000 dead Americans including one in my family not to mention all those who served

This article could easily have been written by Rob Reiner or Michael Moore or Barbara Streisand if she can write

It’s insulting

[Cronos]

The same here. Though I realized that to fully understand WWII I needed to understand WWI - especially the Eastern front

And to fully understand the great war I needed to understand the partitions of the Polish-lithuanian commonwealth, the awakening of nations, the set-up in the Ottoman Empire (milets etc), the creation of nations with forced Franconization, Anglicization, Germanisation, Russofication, etc.

A lot to learn

[Cronos]

Actually SC -- check the link -- it is NOT being equated in any way with the holocaust. It just talks about the "casual anti-semitism" that was in parts of America in the 1930s and earlier and how it affected the lives of Jews in teh army (like separate services etc.) - but the key points I read in it are that:

1. These are verbal or inconveniences - bad, yes but not violent or physical
2. They pale compared to what the nutzis were doing
3. they disappeared the moment we found out where such "casual anti-s" led