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On this day in 1864

Posted on 05/04/2018 6:42:25 AM PDT by Bull Snipe

Leading elements of Union Major General George G. Meade's Army of the Potomac cross the Rapidan River. With a few hours they would clash with General Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia in the Battle of the Wilderness. Lieutenant General Grant's Overland Campaign had begun.


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To: jmacusa; HandyDandy; BroJoeK; Bull Snipe; OIFVeteran; DoodleDawg; central_va; DiogenesLamp

“Did you or did you not state here a few months ago that you had Aspergers?”

This sounds like a personal attack; something we have all agreed is wrong.


1,241 posted on 06/15/2018 10:39:35 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

Hey, he bought it up, not me. And personal attacks? Please. I’ve been called ever name in the book here. “Yankee Lincoln bootlicker’’ even had one of you Rebs threaten to kill me. Grow a pair.


1,242 posted on 06/15/2018 10:43:28 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: jeffersondem
This sounds like a personal attack; something we have all agreed is wrong.

Sounds like an obsession, which is another aspect of mental illness.

1,243 posted on 06/15/2018 10:51:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jmacusa

And in one war the good guys lost, and in the other, they won.


1,244 posted on 06/15/2018 10:52:25 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
What were the other 10?

Try to keep up dear. Every time a state voted to secede, that was another iteration.

11 iterations in total, with Massachusetts threatening to do so back in the earlier part of the 19th century. The world would have probably been a better place had they done so.

1,245 posted on 06/15/2018 10:55:52 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: HandyDandy
You sure are good at twisting things.

Regarding Judicial activism in Massachusetts deliberately misrepresenting the intent of the legislature, I have untwisted things.

The twisted view is that this was done by the people rather than a dictatorial activist court.

Now how did that collection of Witch-Murdering Puritan-descended fanatics legalize homosexual marriage?

1,246 posted on 06/15/2018 10:58:44 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: HandyDandy; DiogenesLamp; central_va; BroJoeK; Bull Snipe; OIFVeteran; DoodleDawg
“You look at it the way the Slave Power did. They turned it into the “fugitive slave clause” . . .”

But not just the Slave Power. Here's how one fire-eater from Jefferson Davis’ home state styled that part of the U.S. Constitution:

“The fugitive slave clause of the Constitution, and the law for the suppression of the foreign slave trade, are each as well enforced, perhaps, as any law can ever be in a community where the moral sense of the people imperfectly supports the law itself.”

Note well the words, “fugitive slave clause.”

1,247 posted on 06/15/2018 11:01:10 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jmacusa
“I’ve been called ever name in the book here. “Yankee Lincoln bootlicker’’ even had one of you Rebs threaten to kill me.”

Well those were not a very friendly things to say.

1,248 posted on 06/15/2018 11:05:29 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: DiogenesLamp
Try to keep up dear. Every time a state voted to secede, that was another iteration.

Didn't the Confederacy say that 13 states had seceded? Not 11?

1,249 posted on 06/15/2018 11:06:31 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
And in one war the good guys lost, and in the other, they won.

You think the Nazis were the good guys, huh? Interesting.

1,250 posted on 06/15/2018 11:08:50 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

“Well no they didn’t (offer to negotiate all issues with the United States in an attempt to preserve the peace) but that is neither here nor there.”

I hesitate to disagree with friends, but in this case I respectfully disagree. The Confederate Congress did make the offer and sent representatives to negotiate all issues; and it is “here nor there.”

Lincoln could not have known for sure his decision would cost 600,000 lives, or more, but he knew his decision to go to war would cost plenty.

The result was the disaster at Appomattox and the federal government we have in the D.C. swamp now. I know many people are happy with the federal government and the way it works. I’m not.


1,251 posted on 06/15/2018 11:22:57 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: DiogenesLamp

See. This is why people flense the hide off you. You’re an idiot. The Nazis lost and the Confederacy lost. When it came to their views on race and economic exploitation of a certain race they were similar. They were both the ‘’bad guys’’ And they both lost.


1,252 posted on 06/15/2018 11:24:29 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: DiogenesLamp

Don’t flatter yourself dude.


1,253 posted on 06/15/2018 11:25:13 AM PDT by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: DoodleDawg; DiogenesLamp; central_va; Bull Snipe; OIFVeteran; BroJoeK; HandyDandy

“Didn’t the Confederacy say that 13 states had seceded? Not 11?”

Kentucky and Missouri were aspirational. They did have representatives in the Confederacy but the states were never completely liberated.

My earlier reference to eleven was another attempt by me to avoid controversy.


1,254 posted on 06/15/2018 11:31:53 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem
I hesitate to disagree with friends, but in this case I respectfully disagree. The Confederate Congress did make the offer and sent representatives to negotiate all issues; and it is “here nor there.”

But is that what the Confederates did? The only specific in the letter to Lincoln was that they were there to demand recognition from the Administration. Following that there was a vague offer to "agree, treat, consult, and negotiate of and concerning all matters and subjects interesting to both nations..." How do we know that paying for stolen property was interesting to the Confederacy?

1,255 posted on 06/15/2018 11:32:52 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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1,256 posted on 06/15/2018 11:32:55 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
And of course we get the childish "I know you are but what am I" double reverse flip crap from you.

No, the Nazis were bad. So was the Illinois dictator.

1,257 posted on 06/15/2018 11:34:11 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jeffersondem
Kentucky and Missouri were aspirational. They did have representatives in the Confederacy but the states were never completely liberated.

Aspirational to Davis but not to you? Hence the reference to 11?

My earlier reference to eleven was another attempt by me to avoid controversy.

And accuracy?

1,258 posted on 06/15/2018 11:34:50 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
No, the Nazis were bad. So was the Illinois dictator.

Now who's being childish?

1,259 posted on 06/15/2018 11:43:39 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: jmacusa; DiogenesLamp; central_va; BroJoeK; HandyDandy; Bull Snipe; OIFVeteran; DoodleDawg
“The Nazis lost and the Confederacy lost. When it came to their views on race and economic exploitation of a certain race they were similar.”

I'm not an advocate of playing the Race Card. If you are, here's a quote in American history from a fire-eater from Jefferson Davis’ home state. It captures the thinking of many of the American people at the time of Lincoln's War.

You should always include the quote to support your decision to play the Race Card.

“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races...I, as much as any man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

1,260 posted on 06/15/2018 12:13:28 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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