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The Greenhouse Gas Effect Is A Scientific Impossibility
principia-scientific.org ^ | May 29, 2018 | Herb Rose

Posted on 05/30/2018 3:12:03 PM PDT by PROCON

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To: dirtboy
I agree, this author doesn't know what he's talking about.

Greenhouse effect

21 posted on 05/30/2018 4:12:43 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Telepathic Intruder

isn’t space a lot cooler? We are surrounded by a vacuum which, by definition, should be drawing plenty of energy from the planet.


22 posted on 05/30/2018 4:26:29 PM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as wll say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: PROCON

It has been said that the greenhouse gas theory is like trying to herd mice (heat) with a chain link fence (CO2)... but they will simply keep repeating their lies until they weary everyone into no longer giving a damn.


23 posted on 05/30/2018 4:28:07 PM PDT by TalBlack (It's hard to shoot people when they are shooting back at you...)
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To: PROCON

What the hell does physics and real science have to do with Man Made Global Warming?? And who in the hell does this person think he is by denigrating their religion??


24 posted on 05/30/2018 4:36:27 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: raybbr
Yes, basically. There's very little energy in the form of radiation reaching earth from space while the sun is down. Any radiation that is absorbed by the ground or atmosphere becomes heat. You have the 3°K from the CMBR and that's about it. Far more energy leaves the earth in the form of radiation.

As far as space being "cool", temperature is a property of mass only. Individual atoms in space can be hot, millions of degrees even, but the overall heat is low because atoms in space are rarefied. All the radiation coming from the sun doesn't become heat until it is absorbed by something.
25 posted on 05/30/2018 4:41:01 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


26 posted on 05/30/2018 4:43:27 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: PROCON

Energy from the Sun does not “escape” back into space.

It is reflected. Some surfaces are more reflective than others. Most of the surface is water. How reflective is the ocean? lakes and rivers?

Clouds cover significant parts of both water and land. How much do they reflect back into space so that such heat never hits the surface? Of course, the part that doesn’t reflect is absorbed and heats the planet.

A way to cool and save the planet is very obvious. Elon Musk believes in global warming. It would be pocket change for him to launch reflective foil over the North and South Polar regions. The polar regions would cool. Ice would grow. Ocean levels would drop.

If there were a problem, it would be easily solved. No need for complex energy credits.


27 posted on 05/30/2018 4:44:17 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: PROCON

There is no such thing as global warming science.

There are only time series models based on fraudulent data.


28 posted on 05/30/2018 4:45:32 PM PDT by detective
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Heat is the product of the interaction between radiation and any molecule that can absorb it. Since in space there are no molecules to absorb it the temperature is very cold but you will still get cooked without something to reflect or absorb the energy. There is more energy outside our atmosphere than inside it hence the conclusion that that the earth does not radiate any energy into space - it can only absorb energy. Therefore greenhouse gases do not make our planet warmer because they prevent warm air from escaping into the cooler atmosphere.
Im no physics guy though - just an electrician.


29 posted on 05/30/2018 4:50:36 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: dirtboy
Absolute gibberish, IMO.

As a PhD physicist let me assure you that this is absolute gibberish, and this idiot should just shut up.

The greenhouse effect is caused by superthermal radiation (e.g. visible light, UV) being absorbed and reradiated as infrared energy. The infrared energy is then absorbed by something in its path that does not transmit infrared radation - e.g. glass or water vapor or carbon dioxide.

The greenhouse effect is why your car gets really hot in bright sun with the windows rolled up or why a greenhouse works.

Whether human generated CO2 increases the greenhouse gas effect and causes global warming is an open question, and one is right to be skeptical. But the physical principle behind the greenhouse effect is sound physics.

30 posted on 05/30/2018 4:52:54 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: dirtboy

At the atomic/molecular level, kinetic energy would indeed govern “heat”.


31 posted on 05/30/2018 4:57:57 PM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: raybbr
isn’t space a lot cooler?

To the degree (!) space is a vacuum, it is neither hot nor cold. In order for something to be either, there has to be some THING there to contain the thermal energy. Since a vacuum is the absence of any "thing," it can't be considered hot or cold.

However, a heated body in space would radiate thermal energy, which could be absorbed by nearby bodies and cause them to warm. That's how the sun warms the earth.

32 posted on 05/30/2018 4:58:37 PM PDT by IronJack (A)
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To: PROCON
This is garbage. Don't use this in the debate.

Heat is a form of energy.
Infrared radiation going into deep space removes heat from the Earth, that's why it's cold at night.
Calling people ignorant when they don't agree is a Leftist strategy.
'nuff said.

33 posted on 05/30/2018 5:04:18 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: 1FreeAmerican
The writer of the article almost gets it right when he says "heat is the kinetic energy of an object". It's actually the thermal kinetic energy--the jiggling of the atoms in matter. Kinetic energy is just how fast the object is moving. The difference is whether the atoms are moving with the same or different vectors.

In space there is very little motion of atoms, since there are very few atoms, comparatively. Hence no heat transfer via conduction or convection. That leaves only radiation. Anything with heat becomes a black body radiator, so the earth radiates away heat while empty space does not. When the sun is down, the earth radiates its heat away.
34 posted on 05/30/2018 5:07:26 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Retvet

“The Earff has s fever.” does ‘t cover it?


35 posted on 05/30/2018 5:17:54 PM PDT by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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To: dirtboy

No... The spacecraft in your example does not have kinetic energy while coasting along on orbit. Instead, it posses potential energy. Potential energy and kinetic energy are not the same thing. Physics, thermodynamics stuff.


36 posted on 05/30/2018 5:27:35 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Hootowl99

No, the World Trade Center buildings had potential energy from the energy required to lift the materials. That was converted to kinetic energy when the buildings collapsed. A spacecraft moving in space has kinetic energy from that movement.


37 posted on 05/30/2018 5:45:07 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: PROCON; dirtboy

In astrophysics, heat is also called thermal kinetic energy. The atoms are in motion, but randomly. When their vectors are aligned, there is no heat but there is still kinetic energy, i.e, motion.


38 posted on 05/30/2018 5:52:29 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: PROCON
The Greenhouse Gases vent out of the Ozone Hole that the Acid Rain falls through.
39 posted on 05/30/2018 6:30:06 PM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

It was still a misleading comment, to try and pretend that infrared thermal radiation could not leave the Earth.


40 posted on 05/30/2018 6:38:47 PM PDT by dirtboy
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