Posted on 01/13/2019 12:33:13 PM PST by Mariner
LOL
If it can’t be fired free hand, it’s not a pistol.
Quarter Circle 10 Pistol Caliber Carbine
Beretta Cx4 Storm
CZ Scorpion EVO3 S1 Carbine
Kel-Tec Sub-2000
Heckler & Koch USC 45
The Hi-Point pistol caliber carbine comes in .380, 9mm, 40 cal, 45 cal, and 10mm. They're built like tanks, are incredibly reliable, and are backed with a lifetime, no questions asked warranty - regardless of owner.
“.22LR has killed more people, I believe, than any other caliber.” I don’t believe that.
I believe you are correct, but it’s a complex question:
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
The .22 does very well in terms of one-shot stop, in highest percentage of hits that were fatal (excluding rifle/shotgun), and #1 handgun in average number of shots to incapacitate the target. In terms of total numbers shot or killed though, the popular/police calibers - 9mm, .45 ACP, .38 SP, and .40 S&W - look like winners.
In terms of targets never incapacitated, the mouse guns are losers. A lot of people drop when they are hit in the trunk or the head by a .22 because they’ve been shot, and that’s scary. The problem though is that when you hit a tough guy with a .25 ACP, a .22LR, or a .32, it’s not going to drop him as quickly or as reliably as a bullet with more energy. Because of those tough guys, targets are twice as likely never to stop from being hit by the mouse guns, no matter how many times they are hit.
I think the strength of the .22 is that we’re all good with that gun. Even with a limp wrist or awkward stance, it hits where we want it to. That plus no one flinches with a .22. Bonus: Most of us practice more with our .22 than with the higher calibers - it’s much cheaper, so we’re better at it.
You have a semi-valid point when it comes to a Rowland pistol. They need a compensator and a well 'balanced' recoil spring to make it past a few thousand rounds And they limit the 1911 conversions to only the most hardy frames and slides.
But on the Mech-Tech system THEIR receiver takes 99% of the stress; the lower is merely the magazine housing and the fire control system.
I have a 45acp Highpoint carbine , best buy I ever made
By “well ‘balanced’, above, I meant strong enough to keep the slide from slamming back on recoil, but not so strong that it does damage when the slide comes forward into battery.
“50 BMG revolver? Why not?” Not possible.
You know someone on FR read that and grabbed tools and a welding machine: “Hold my beer”.
I'd take a guess...there's a rifle out there that shoots that round also.
“Mech-Tech”
For another $200 you can buy a new CX_4 Storm and keep the sidearm holstered.
But, I guess if you’ve managed to shoot the barrel out of a Glock (nearly impossible), you could use the frame/trigger mechanism and for about $500 have nearly the same thing.
I believe one of the strengths of the .22LR as a killer has to do with tumbling - the reason the .223 is favored - as well as penetrative strength and sudden velocity drop afterward. It is my understanding for instance that at a wide array of ranges the .22 with a headshot will enter the cranium and bounce around in there, making a dire mess of the brain.
Maybe that .22 round has killed more Whitetail deer...but not people.
I doubt Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro, Hitler, Lenin, American troops, Chinese troops, German troops, Italian troops...Aussie troops..etc..etc..etc...used that round much.
And those guy's killed a lot of people.............
Yep.
I’ve got one in 9mm with a cheap red dot on it. It’s freakishly accurate.
It was the Ruger black hawk the they chambered the 30 carbine round in.
It does in my opinion have excessive muzzle blast with factory ammo.
If one hand loads one can optimize the powder selection.
It isn't a permanent alteration. Although I do have a dedicated lower for mine, you can swap back and forth between the CCU and the pistol in about 25 seconds, with some practice. At least with the 1911 conversion. I've never messed with a Glock; that could be slower or faster.
And if you DO shoot th barrel out of your Glock, replacement barrels are relatively cheap and easily replaced.
I get it, a Mech-tech is not something you would want. There are millions of others who wouldn't buy them for half the price, even if they had the need for a pistol caliber carbine. It IS sort of a tinkerers device. A lot of people aren't up to swapping parts and want something you can just stuff the magazine in, rack the slide / bolt and pull the trigger.
OOOH, I just went to check prices... I thought you were just making a WAG or exaggerating the price when you wrote $500. My apologies .. When I bought mine it was under $300.00. I'll admit that I'd be hard pressed to buy for the $435 they are charging now.
Still they are a pretty decent machine.... Just that the market has advanced since I bought mine and there are NOW quite a few choices in the category. When I bought, there were few choices; the Marlin Camp and the Ruger 44 were discontinued and bringing some serious prices.
Plus, you don't have to go through an FFL to get one, like you do with any of the other options.
This one was a jewel.
But it needed a detachable magazine of higher capacity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_Deerfield_Carbine
And I really, really like those Marlin Camp-9s.
The predecessor of all these new carbines.
Detachable S&W mags, up to 40 rounds.
But with a better fit/finish.
And about the same price, barely-shot used.
I’m going to find and buy one.
Thank you. Felt wrong. Couldn’t recall. Getting old.
Another FR gun thread. Another gaggle of calibre snobs.
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