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The Saudi-backed LIV Golf tees off, and the PGA Tour quickly suspends 17 players
NPR ^ | 6/9/2022 | Bill Chappell

Posted on 06/09/2022 8:40:59 AM PDT by 1Old Pro

Even before it started, the Saudi-backed LIV Golf series reshaped the careers of several high-profile players, costing golfers such as Phil Mickelson and Dustin Johnson their relationships with the PGA Tour and some of their sponsors.

A reprisal had been expected from the PGA Tour — and immediately after the inaugural LIV tournament teed off on Thursday, the PGA issued sanctions against 17 players who defected to the new series.

The players "are suspended or otherwise no longer eligible to participate in PGA TOUR tournament play, including the Presidents Cup," PGA Tour Commissioner Jay Monahan said in a letter to tour members.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Sports
KEYWORDS: golf; liv; pga; whocares
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To: EEGator

“Phil does not need money”

I heard he’s got big gambling debts...is that not accurate?


21 posted on 06/09/2022 8:56:09 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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To: EEGator

“Phil does not need money”

I heard he’s got big gambling debts...is that not accurate?


22 posted on 06/09/2022 8:56:12 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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To: V_TWIN

Sorry for the double post


23 posted on 06/09/2022 8:56:31 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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To: discostu

The smart thing would be for the PGA to challenge the NIV to a championship world tournament.


24 posted on 06/09/2022 8:57:30 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: V_TWIN

His net worth is estimated at $400 million.
He loses some millions every year gambling.
Michael Jordan lost a ton gambling, but is worth $2 billion...


25 posted on 06/09/2022 8:57:40 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: 1Old Pro
Haven't seen the schedule yet, it would be funny if they played at Bedminster and Doral.

Bedminster yes, July 29 to 31. Doral no.

Link

26 posted on 06/09/2022 8:57:48 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: EEGator

“Phil does not need money…”

That’s why I used the word “most” in my post. However, Phil — a very money hungry wealthy man with a history of big-time gambling — would disagree with you — and they are reportedly paying him $200 million to be their high profile golfer — not easy to turn down.


27 posted on 06/09/2022 8:59:02 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: EEGator

Gotcha thanks.


28 posted on 06/09/2022 8:59:50 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave)
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To: V_TWIN

Anytime.


29 posted on 06/09/2022 9:00:26 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: 1Old Pro
The LIV Golf Invitational Series features two competitions
that will take place concurrently: an individual event and a
team event.

The first seven events will take place over the course of LIV
Golf's four-month regular season. The eighth event will be the
team championship in late October in Miami, where teams
compete against one another in a matchplay format for the
LIV
Golf team trophy.


1 Centurion Club Hertfordshire, England June 9-11
2 Pumpkin Ridge Portland, Oregon June 30-July 2
3 Trump National Golf Club Bedminster Bedminster, New Jersey July 29-31
4 The International Boston, Massachusetts September 2-4
5 Rich Harvest Farms Chicago, Illinois September 16-18
6 Stonehill Bangkok, Thailand October 7-9
7 Royal Greens Golf & Country Club Jeddah, Saudi Arabia October 14-16
8 Trump National Golf Club Doral Miami, Florida October 27-30


30 posted on 06/09/2022 9:02:26 AM PDT by Tommy Revolts
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To: BlueStateRightist

I’d take it if I were him. Check out his net worth though.
The PGA may be control freaks as well.


31 posted on 06/09/2022 9:02:30 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: 1Old Pro

It really shows that the PGA doesn’t understand personal economics. All us regular folks are aware of the concept of “f u money”, a quantity that if it suddenly landed in your bank account you’d go into your bosses office, toss your badge on his desk flip him off and walk out. What we’re learning here is the concept scales, sure a lot of guys on the PGA tour are making every year what us regular folks would consider f u money. But the LIV is offering enough cash that even people in that income bracket are thinking “set for life in 1 maybe 2 seasons”. I’m not sure how sustainable the LIV is, I can’t imagine them making enough to pay off those purses through normal revenue streams. But that’s all the more reason for players to jump now, make the fat cash before it folds, and never have to worry about their tour card again.


32 posted on 06/09/2022 9:02:45 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Rebelbase

The smart thing is to ignore it. Just go about their business. I doubt they’d care if some player decided to take a working vacation and spend a chunk of a season playing European or Asian events. This is pettiness on their part. Don’t ever demand people vote against their own wallet.


33 posted on 06/09/2022 9:07:22 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: 1Old Pro
Moar sanctions.

The TechnoBullies run wild, once again.

I'm going to sanction the Pigga Tour, at a personal level.

34 posted on 06/09/2022 9:09:57 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: 1Old Pro

This is bad news for the senior tour over the next 10-15 years.


35 posted on 06/09/2022 9:10:57 AM PDT by beekay (Justice for Ashli Babbitt! Say her name.)
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To: DoodleDawg; Chickensoup; 1Old Pro
Playing for a competing golf tour. It's as if an NFL player went and played for a Canadian Football League team. They are, theoretically, competing leagues.

Well, sort of.

Except many serious golfers don't pay much attention to the kneelers in their shiny pants and shoulda-ma-pads.

I want to watch Philbert and DJ let The Big Dog eat.

36 posted on 06/09/2022 9:14:35 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: 1Old Pro
The globohomos cancelled Bedminster and Doral?

What a bunch of fags.

37 posted on 06/09/2022 9:16:58 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: 1Old Pro

This somewhat reminds me of what the World Football League attempted to do to the NFL in the mid ‘70s. That venture didn’t last long. I’m thinking this one won’t either.


38 posted on 06/09/2022 9:19:13 AM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: discostu

“PGA is being really stupid about this. They don’t control the majors, so they have no real punishment. All they’re doing is banning some of the sport’s big names who are doing occasional “other” tournaments to make more money. By forcing the players to choose and thus keeping them out of PGA events they’re just gonna kill their own ratings.”

Wrong. The LIV - funded by a Saudi “soverign wealth” fund - is trying to buy top players away from PGA tournaments, offering higher payouts than do many of the PGA Tour venues. It’s like when investors built separate baseball leagues. Even then, no players playing in one league were not allowed to play in the other league also. In golf, think of the parallel as if each player is a “team” (a playing unit) in the PGA [league]. Baseball players do not play for two teams in two different leagues.

MONEY$$$$$$ and not PGA “rules” is why a few big players are going to pay for the LIV. Michelson is a high stakes gambler who, it was reported, had gambling losse of upwards of $40 million between 2010 and 2014 - debts he may still be paying off. Dustin Johnson peaked (to world ranking of #1) back in 2017, and now ranks 15th. The article itself ranks some of the other joiners [Louis Oosthuizen (21), Kevin Na (34), Talor Gooch (35) and Sergio Garcia (57)]. In other words most of those joining are not today’s top winners. Most are also older than the average age of many of today’s top golf winners. When YOU are not winning, your take of a tournament’s winning$ are not at the top. So the Saudis are offering to pay all who join bugger sums than they have been getting with the PGA tour. But in many cases, in an even playing field, many of them have lower earnings not becase the PGA is stingy, but because they have not been winning.

It’s all about the money. It’s not about “PGA rules” of the game or its organization of the tournaments.

And one beef of mine is ALL “sovereign wealth” funds. Imagine our IRS running private ventures to make money for itself. “Soveriegn wealth” funds are nothing less than nation-state funds competing, for themselves, in the investment markets. Personally, to help keep our domestic markets free markets I would ban all foreign nation-state ownership and investment in U.S. markets.


39 posted on 06/09/2022 9:23:31 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: EEGator

If the PGA is going to run their association like the old Hollywood studio system, it would be smarter if they made it possible to ‘loan out’ PGA players to other golf associations, for a cut of the winnings. Seems it would expand the sport and make everyone fatter and gigglier.


40 posted on 06/09/2022 9:25:54 AM PDT by TimSkalaBim
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