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Birth Certificate Exposé Brings Out Forgery Defenders -- “THEY CONTINUE TO BE ON ASSIGNMENT”
The Post & Email Newspaper ^ | 23 Apr 2024 | Sharon Rondeau

Posted on 04/23/2024 5:16:50 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner

(Apr. 23, 2024) – On Thursday, The Post & Email published an article reporting the National Archives’ displaying of an “unauthenticated” long-form birth certificate image purportedly issued by the State of Hawaii in 2011 to Barack Hussein Obama.

The revelation was made by Mike Zullo, lead investigator of a 5+-year probe into the image’s authenticity launched by then-Maricopa County, AZ Sheriff Joseph Arpaio at the request of more than 100 of his constituents and delegated to his “Cold Case Posse.”

Concerns had arisen soon after Obama, the junior first-term U.S. senator from Illinois, announced his presidential ambitions in February 2007 amid numerous reports of his birth overseas, presumably precluding him from being a “natural born Citizen,” as Article II of the Constitution requires of the president.

While such reports were not contested prior to Obama’s announcement, after launching his campaign he claimed to have been born August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, HI. While some sources contemporaneously reported the birth occurred at Queens Hospital, others said his birthplace was the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children, then known as Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital.

Six months into the investigation, Zullo reported in an initial press conference that he and his fellow team members were unable to clear the image as derived from a real, paper document. Further, Zullo declared the image a “computer-generated forgery” created “with the intent to deceive.”

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To: Jumper
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN; your comment is an utter FAIL...neither clever nor funny.
41 posted on 04/23/2024 9:01:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mears

Layers meaning there was an original document used as a template, and it was photoshopped with other fake information on it. Maybe someone else can explain better.


42 posted on 04/23/2024 9:02:26 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Nothing Can Stop What Coming)
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To: JennysCool
An authentic birth certificate from the era certainly wouldn’t have layers!

It's indeed a fake and forgery, but of course there was no such thing as a PDF nor even the concept of layers back in 1961. Such electronic image constructs would necessarily come decades later.

Some people have shown themselves to be unusually invested in whether the asserted document reader (with its purported software and revision level) that presumably scanned the presumed (typed, two dimensional) original even could have software-wise rendered the scan as a layered PDF.

Many words have been needlessly expended in that arena, because we know by many other easily represented and understood indicators that the LFBC is beyond all reasonable doubt false and invalid for all legal purposes, since it manifests many indicia of alteration.

And as the Certificate of Live Birth repeats:
"ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE."

43 posted on 04/23/2024 9:08:36 PM PDT by rx
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To: x
If Obama was born in the US and his mother was American and his father wasn’t a foreign diplomat, Obama would indeed be a US citizen by birth.

By the 14th amendment. Not the same thing as a natural citizen.

If his parents’ marriage was invalid, then Obama would have inherited his mother’s American citizenship.

This is correct. I used to know the legal term for this, but American law has always said that if the father is unknown, the child inherits the Mother's citizenship.

But that's still not "natural" citizenship under the Vattel definition, which is the correct definition.

44 posted on 04/23/2024 9:27:57 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: woodpusher

Just proves the courts are full of cowards, ignorant morons, and corruption.


45 posted on 04/23/2024 9:30:11 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Mears

In graphic design you create separate layers for text, images, etc. Like putting a logo for a real estate company over a photo of a house, the logo and the house are basically stacked on top of each other. In the “birth certificate,” there were separate layers of text in various areas. Whoever put it together forgot to flatten the image, so the layering wouldn’t show.

I hope all that is understandable. It’s past my bedtime! :)


46 posted on 04/23/2024 10:34:15 PM PDT by JennysCool ("It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." - Mark Twain)
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To: DiogenesLamp
By the 14th amendment. Not the same thing as a natural citizen.

Wong Kim Ark at 169 U.S. 658-59:

It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.

Wong Kim Ark at 169 U.S. 662-63:

In United States v. Rhodes (1866), Mr. Justice Swayne, sitting in the Circuit Court, said: "All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. . . . We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution."

https://fam.state.gov/FAM/08FAM/08FAM030101.html#M301_1_1

[State Department, Foreign Affairs Manual]

8 FAM 301.1-1 INTRODUCTION

[...]

(b) A child born in an immigration detention center physically located in the United States is considered to have been born in the United States and be subject to its jurisdiction. This is so even if the child’s parents have not been legally admitted to the United States and, for immigration purposes, may be viewed as not being in the United States.

Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 698 (1898)

The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, as originally framed by the House of Representatives, lacked the opening sentence. When it came before the Senate in May, 1866, Mr. Howard, of Michigan, moved to amend by prefixing the sentence in its present form (less the words "or naturalized"), and reading,

"All persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State herein they reside."

Mr. Cowan objected upon the ground that the Mongolian race ought to be excluded, and said:

"Is the child of the Chinese immigrant in California a citizen? . . . I do not know how my honorable friend from California looks upon Chinese, but I do know how some of his fellow citizens regard them. I have no doubt that now they are useful, and I have no doubt that, within proper restraints, allowing that State and the other Pacific States to manage them as they may see fit, they may be useful; but I would not tie their hands by the Constitution of the United States so as to prevent them hereafter from dealing with them as in their wisdom they see fit."

Mr. Conness, of California, replied:

"The proposition before us relates simply, in that respect, to the children begotten of Chinese parents in California, and it is proposed to declare that they shall be citizens. We have declared that by law; now it is proposed to incorporate the same provision in the fundamental instrument of the Nation. I am in favor of doing so. I voted for the proposition to declare that the children of all parentage whatever, born in California, should be regarded and treated as citizens of the United States, entitled to equal civil rights with other citizens of the United States. . . . We are entirely ready to accept the provision proposed in this Constitutional Amendment that the children born here of Mongolian parents shall be declared by the Constitution of [169 U. S. 699] the United States to be entitled to civil rights and to equal protection before the law with others."

169 U. S. 702.

The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in the declaration that

"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,"

contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization.

Lynch v. Clark, 1 Sandf. 583 (1844), as published in New York Legal Observer, Volume III, 1845

It is an indisputable proposition, that by the rule of the common law of England, if applied to these facts, Julia Lynch was a natural born citizen of the United States. And this rule was established and inflexible in the common law, long anterior to the first settlement of the United States, and, indeed, before the discovery of America by Columbus. By the common law, all per­sons born within the ligeance of the crown of England, were natural born subjects, without reference to the status or condition of their parents.

[...]

And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President. "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President," &c. The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor that by the rule of the common law, in force when the constitution was adopted, he is a citizen.

But that's still not "natural" citizenship under the Vattel definition, which is the correct definition.

Vattel wrote a book about the Law of Nations which is now known as International Law. International Law applies to relations between two or more nation states. It has no application to the domestic affairs of any one state, and is not the citizenship law of any place on Earth.

The correct definition is the U.S. Constitutio at Amendment 14, as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court, not as interpreted by some knucklehead on the internet.

The citizenship law of the United States is not determined in Europe under International Law in a court in the Hague, Netherlands.

47 posted on 04/23/2024 10:54:10 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: rx

You said: “Curiously, Barry’s LFBC shows a different street address (6085 Kalanianaole Highway) than do the Nordykes’ (2013 Kakela Drive) for that hospital.”

That is a wrong statement. Those addresses shown on the digital images are in the field for the street address for the usual residence of mother.

As I recall the address shown on the forged Obama LFBC is actually the address of Stanley Ann (Dunhum) Obama’s parents. There are no pre-natal or post-natal medical care records of Stanley Ann being in Hawaii at that time or any other records reporting her as living with her parents at that address, or even even being in Hawaii, at that time in Aug 1961.

But you are correct about the document ID numbers being an issue. It has been asserted that Team Obama when they forged the short-form Certification of Live Birth form in the early summer of 2008 that they stole the birth record ID number for Virginia Sunahara: https://www.wnd.com/2012/09/arpaio-investigator-hawaii-still-covering-up-for-obama/


48 posted on 04/23/2024 10:55:57 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: DiogenesLamp
Just proves the courts are full of cowards, ignorant morons, and corruption.

Just proves birthers who have been recycling this crap since 2008 are retarded. When a State "proves" a State record, that record must, pursuant to the Constitution, be accepted in every court in the United States. That has been going on since 1789.

U.S. Constitution

Article IV

Section 1.

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_44

Rule 44. Proving an Official Record

(a) Means of Proving.

(1) Domestic Record. Each of the following evidences an official record—or an entry in it—that is otherwise admissible and is kept within the United States, any state, district, or commonwealth, or any territory subject to the administrative or judicial jurisdiction of the United States:

(A) an official publication of the record; or

(B) a copy attested by the officer with legal custody of the record—or by the officer's deputy—and accompanied by a certificate that the officer has custody. The certificate must be made under seal:

(i) by a judge of a court of record in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept; or

(ii) by any public officer with a seal of office and with official duties in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept.

(2) Foreign Record.

[...]


49 posted on 04/23/2024 10:56:15 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: libertylover

obama released 3 birth certificates and one was signed by Dr. Ukulele. One of the other birth certificate was shown to have his sisters name on it but erased but still seen when held up to a light.
He also had a social security number of a dead man from some eastern state he had never lived in.


50 posted on 04/24/2024 1:16:27 AM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: CDR Kerchner
You're right about the comparative data in the "Mother's Usual Residence" address fields. In the moment, I saw the difference, thought about the hospital's different address noted earlier and misread the (blurry) Nordyke LFBC Hospital address field by its proximity to the 6c field, "Hospital... or street address." The labeling on Barry's LFBC (7a & 7d) is clear at that point and I should have cross-checked as I prepared to type that. I hadn't made that mistake prior and won't again.

The Sunday Advertiser Street birth announcement, ostensibly parent's street address, which comports with Barry's LFBC, is not necessarily reliable, as the microfiche data show indicia of alteration, so as to make it untrustworthy. As I recall, the notes of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) people contemporaneously investigating the claimed marriage of SAD and BHO I strongly suspected SAD and BHO I did not cohabitate as they claimed. The address is known to have been that of SAD's parents, Madelyn and Stanley, as you say. No marriage license--if such a thing ever existed (I suspect it would have been identifiable as a forgery if it had)--survives. Surely INS would have needed to see that document at the time, which suggests such a record may have existed at the time. Actual truthful information would quickly note that since BHO I was already married, the marriage was ipso facto invalid, having been based on fraudulent information.

SAD was known to be living in Seattle in August of 1961. Her move back to Hawai'i and the U of H East-West Center didn't come for some months. Indeed, no Hawaiian or Washington State hospital records that would substantiate a SAD pregnancy are known to exist, which, by their absence, strongly suggest SAD was not pregnant in 1961 and therefore did not give birth to little Barry. If SAD is not the biomom, BHO I is surely no the the biodad.

There is sufficient evidence, IMHO, to point out that the preponderance of the evidence suggests that the Star Advertiser/Sunday Advertiser Street birth announcement was fraudulently edited into all the known microfiche copies and that no paper copies of that edition have been brought forth in the last two decades.

We'll do well to remember that SCOTUS has never held that any person born on US soil is thereby a natural born citizen. No court records show a naturalization of Barry, though people like John Brennen, CEO of State Department subcontractor Analysis Corp. for passport and passport application data, was in a unique position to manipulate, alter, abscond with, and/or destroy such data. Lieutenant Quarles Harris, who worked with Brennan and was set to give a deposition to authorities on what he had seen--possibly as a whistleblower--was murdered in his car in the very days Barry and McCain's records were accessed and potentially manipulated by Brennan. No contemporaneous passport application information of SAD or Barry is known to survive from prior to SAD's travel to Indonesia.

I believe Virginia Sunahara's birth record ID was stolen to be used by Barry. Circumstances strongly suggest that she would have been initially given the number that Barry's LFBC "sports." The cover-up is opportunistically likely to be able to rely on Hawaii extra-ordinary measures to protect the information security of minors. The extraordinary release of Sunahara's birth certificate by Fuddy paved the way for the release of Barry's LFBC. Fuddy released no other LFBCs during her tenure.

“No one can explain why the birth certificate of Virginia Sunahara, born within a day of Obama, was missing from the database (and presumably the archive) when inquiry was first made. Nor why her brother was barred by the HDOH and a judge from obtaining a copy of her long-form even though she died just days after her birth, nor why her registration number, seen on her short-form, is totally out of sequence when that would have been impossible under the strict administration of Verna Lee – the registrar at that time. ” https://patriotpost.us/commentary/19429.

Double-blind Comparison of Barry's, his claimed half-brother Malik, and Barry's half-sister Maya's DNA could quickly substantiate or obliterate the claimed relationships on Barry's LFBC. I've been assured the C_A have such data and the fact that such has not been made public (in this day and age of DNA testing ubiquity) instructs us that those DNA results show Barry is not closely related to Malik or Maya. How brief the telling of this whole charade could be!

 

And gratuitously, where's Michelle's DNA proof that she's even female? If those results were in her favor, we very likely would have already heard of them. Instead Barry's spent more than a decade subjecting US schools, parades, libraries, and the military to drag shows to normalize the truth's eventual becoming public. Barry has long hoped to position Michelle/Moochelle/Mike for an insertion into the presidential race to take Joe's place at a very late moment.

51 posted on 04/24/2024 3:50:10 AM PDT by rx
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To: CDR Kerchner

Re:Six months into the investigation,

Six months?....Really?

Anyone with any Adobe program experience knew instantly.


52 posted on 04/24/2024 4:35:46 AM PDT by wintertime ( Behind every government school teacher stand armed police.( Real bullets in those guns on the hip!))
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To: wintertime; CDR Kerchner
Anyone with any Adobe program experience knew instantly."

Even though it was known for most of a year where Osama bin Laden was thought to be living--in Abbottabad, Pakistan, a country known rather well known to both Barry and his foster mom (SAD), as they had each lived there for some time--it became apparent to the Barry regime that journalistic articles were being published on the front pages of newspapers within a few days of Barry's most excellent birth certificate news conference (4/27/2011, hosted by for TV by Savannah Guthrie and for the White House Press Corps by intelligence community asset, White House Counsel, Robert F. Bauer). Those articles were exposing all-too-much truth about the Hawaii Department of Health-produced Barry LFBC forgery, including its many electronic layers. Thus, a distraction was chosen to get the LFBC information out of the media spotlight. Whammo! Now was just the ripe time to take out OBL (5/1/2011)!

All those people that knew Barry's LFBC to be an Adobe Photoshop fraud had only alt-media outlets and bulletin boards where they could play their knowledgeable insights about that forged document. The oxygen in the media sphere got all sucked up by OBL, or at least a stand-in.

53 posted on 04/24/2024 8:51:45 AM PDT by rx
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To: CDR Kerchner
Perhaps LORETTA FUDDY can tell us exactly what was done in Hawaii to FORGE Obama's FAKE bc..???? Oh wait, she was the ONLY PERSON who died as her plane full of passengers made a soft belly landing in the water off the coast of Hawaii.

One passenger videoed the ENTIRE flight from takeoff to emergency landing ALMOST AS IF HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN (TO LORETTA FUDDY).. WEIRD.

54 posted on 04/24/2024 9:09:07 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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To: DiogenesLamp
"If his parents’ marriage was invalid, then Obama would have inherited his mother’s American citizenship."

Exactly who Barry's biological mother is has not been shown publicly. The LFBC produced under C_A asset "Loretta Fuddy" has been shown to be a fraudulent forgery by a great deal of evidence. That immediately throws a dark shade onto the likelihood of SAD being his biological mother. The same applies to BHO, Sr., even despite the shared name.

It can be known (and is already to the intelligence community) that neither Malik Obama nor Maya Soetero Ng have a close, familial relationship to Barry. If that is born out publicly through non-corrupted, double-blind DNA testing, it would be reliable proof that Barry is the son of neither SAD nor BHO I. If those results showed parentage just as seen on Barry's LFBC, I believe the intel community would long ago have brought that forth. It likely could have availed to set the myriad of LFBC amateur and professional document sleuths on their heels in the days after the LFBC was first shown publicly in late April of 2011.

Similarly, such information portends to totally reduce all the endless chatter about the Kenyan citizenry of BHO, Sr. and natural born citizenry. If any valid documentation supported natural born citizen status, that would be what we would have seen from Brennan's Analysis Corp., White House Counsel election specialist Bauer, the Hawaii Depart of Health and Barry.

Since that documentation has not been proffered, but a fraudulent forgery was likely criminally put forth in its place, we should "hang our hat" on the most likely "hook" that Barry was never a natural born citizen and that criminals sought and were successful to place him into the presidency--twice. It's as if Barry became the personification of the Manchurian Candidate.

55 posted on 04/24/2024 9:22:47 AM PDT by rx
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To: woodpusher
Just proves birthers who have been recycling this crap since 2008 are retarded. When a State "proves" a State record, that record must, pursuant to the Constitution, be accepted in every court in the United States. That has been going on since 1789.

Hawaii did not produce the actual record. They produced a fabrication and called it a "record."

The framers were not imbeciles. Fake documents are not real documents even if produced by a state. The State has an obligation to produce *REAL* documents.

56 posted on 04/24/2024 9:42:48 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; woodpusher; butterdezillion
"The State has an obligation to produce *REAL* documents."

The Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH) was requested for three Verifications of Barry's LFBC. Those came from the Arizona Secretary of State, the Kansas Secretary of State, and the Mississippi Democratic Party.

All three Verifications produced by HDOH were invalid according to the Hawaii Revised Statutes, despite the fact that the state employees that produced them knew full well how to produce valid Verifications.

My belief is that the Verifications were purposely made to be legally invalid. I believe the legally penalty for producing an invalid Verification is likely far less onerous to those involved in its certifications than would be the penalty for participating a valid Verification that explicitly and literally endorsed the authenticity of false information.

HDOH personnel would have heard the public brouhaha concerning Barry's LFBC and would surely have wanted to avoid personal culpability in the whole mess. I believe that was likely also one of the drivers for "Fuddy" wanting a faked death to exit real life via "The Fuddy Hoax."

57 posted on 04/24/2024 10:16:07 AM PDT by rx
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To: CivilWarBrewing; Liz; DiogenesLamp; CDR Kerchner
"Oh wait, she was the ONLY PERSON who died as her plane full of passengers made a soft belly landing in the water off the coast of Hawaii."

Welllll, not quite. She was the only person said to have died, but midway through the staged exercise--where there's strong evidence that "Fuddy's" vitals were being dynamically monitored--the short, squat 220-pound "Fuddy" is replaced by a tall, thin male swimmer, almost certainly belonging to a foreign military and brought there with the knowledge and consent of both Barry and C_A Director John O. Brennen, as the submarine from which that swimmer disembarked (USS LaJolla) was contemporaneously assigned to the C_A for coordination of submarine training with foreign militaries, such the Brennan's signature would have been required for all the $2B Navy submarine's missions. Curiously, none of the other "stranded-on-the-water passengers shows the least bit of perturbation as a result of the swap. That is, except maybe for "Flip," the passenger who was a former Green Beret, who within a minute or two begins his walking-wading-swim to shore, which was well less than an 1/8th of a mile away.


58 posted on 04/24/2024 10:39:24 AM PDT by rx
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To: CDR Kerchner
Just look at this amateurish finished product. They're right in your face with how bad it is. Just look at the fake security pattern;
59 posted on 04/24/2024 11:40:47 AM PDT by TheElectionWasStolen
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To: DiogenesLamp
Hawaii did not produce the actual record. They produced a fabrication and called it a "record."

Rather than address the applicable law, you provide yuour opinion, disregarding the Constitution and H awaii state law. You are entitled to your opinion, however unfounded it may be.

Your claim at #45 was, "Just proves the courts are full of cowards, ignorant morons, and corruption." Courts do not rule based on your opinion but on the actual law.

It is your apparent position that your opinion takes precedent over the Constitution and Hawaii State law. It doesn't and never has. A document which has been proved by a state is not subject to review for authenticity by the Federal courts.

60 posted on 04/24/2024 3:51:54 PM PDT by woodpusher
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