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Beta Release - Thu Apr 4, 2002

Posted on 04/04/2002 11:21:59 AM PST by John Robinson

ARGGH! Such a lengthy post... completely lost. (I lost my post! Grrrr Microsoft!) Let's try this again. Excuse the brevity, I'm tired of typing this message.

Installed a new beta.

Today's installment of Freeping Creaturism:

BUGS and KNOWN ISSUES

COMING ATTRACTIONS



TOPICS: Focus Software
KEYWORDS: beta; focus; hughhewitt
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1 posted on 04/04/2002 11:21:59 AM PST by John Robinson
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To: Sir Gawain; Jim Robinson; Ms. AntiFeminazi; Texaggie79; smith288; George W. Bush; BADJOE...
Come, look...
2 posted on 04/04/2002 11:28:01 AM PST by John Robinson
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Gee John, what do you do in your spare time? I have to admit I'm happier nearing this weekend than I was last weekend. Good work.
4 posted on 04/04/2002 11:30:45 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: John Robinson
I mean...

Big Beta Link

5 posted on 04/04/2002 11:30:57 AM PST by John Robinson
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To: John Robinson
I like.

But then I am the kind of person who periodically rearranges the furniture just for a change. (My family hates that).

6 posted on 04/04/2002 11:32:57 AM PST by Dales
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To: John Robinson
Cool.
7 posted on 04/04/2002 11:33:53 AM PST by farmfriend
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To: John Robinson
Wow! I like the photo album/hosting idea. As for Navigation, it DOES seem more time-consuming. I seem to just be jumping around, seeing some new posts, trying to find my way back to where I saw something, but can't remember which "topic" it was under. A few times I've seen a headline in the right column, and then went back to read it, and found it was gone.

All in all, great job John! You really DO deserve a raise!

8 posted on 04/04/2002 11:35:15 AM PST by EggsAckley
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To: John Robinson
Can we have a style sheet that takes us back to the old looking FR? :-D
9 posted on 04/04/2002 11:40:27 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: John Robinson
Now that I am accostomed to what I have, if I leave it alone will it stay the same?
11 posted on 04/04/2002 11:42:22 AM PST by BADJOE
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To: victoria delsoul
:-D
12 posted on 04/04/2002 11:45:40 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: John Robinson
Just installed my CSS. Thanks John.

Perhaps you could put all the navs into drop downs on the top? And they could be dynamically filled depending on your sidebar preferences and what not.

13 posted on 04/04/2002 11:47:22 AM PST by smith288
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To: John Robinson
(I had big plans for that extra sidebar y'hear!)

Go with it. SURELY there is a way to make a navigational sidebar that everyone can deal with. EVERY large website has this.

Look back at my Blue Border thread. People are lost without a navigation bar. Without it it still looks like a center frame page missing the menu frame.

14 posted on 04/04/2002 11:47:29 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: John Robinson
Most freepers I talked to like the new functionality, but don't want to sacrifice the old look. Any ideas?
15 posted on 04/04/2002 11:58:34 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: John Robinson
I'm over in the BETA now. The font is pretty bad. I think most all FReepers are pretty used to Arial. Might as well stick with that.
16 posted on 04/04/2002 11:59:48 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Sir Gawain
I like the functionality and don't want to sacrifice the ORIGINAL Beta look. Blue Border rocked.
17 posted on 04/04/2002 12:00:32 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Sir Gawain
Thanks Gawain.
18 posted on 04/04/2002 12:00:50 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Texaggie79
You're about the only one. Everyone I know wants the old style back.
19 posted on 04/04/2002 12:02:09 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: John Robinson
Question: are you going to have a place where we might be able to upload our stylesheets? They generally are pretty small, and that would help users not get screwed if they are using a different machine (if they have the css on their local drive) or if the site they are hosting it on goes down but FR doesn't.
20 posted on 04/04/2002 12:04:34 PM PST by Dales
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To: John Robinson
Can we have the style that everyone hated in beta? I liked that one the best (with the left frame and the flags and such). Maybe that could be a switch that could be turned on.
21 posted on 04/04/2002 12:04:38 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Sir Gawain
No...I liked the blue border, too. It was much better than the old style.
22 posted on 04/04/2002 12:05:14 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: AppyPappy
Yeah, me, too. I wish we could have that as an option (perhaps it would be off by default, to placate the objectors).
23 posted on 04/04/2002 12:06:12 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: Texaggie79
I like the functionality and don't want to sacrifice the ORIGINAL Beta look. Blue Border rocked.
I liked it too. Maybe someday it can be resurrected as an option for those of us who liked it (although I love this stylesheet implementation), IF all the "under the hood" stuff was the same?
24 posted on 04/04/2002 12:06:14 PM PST by Dales
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To: Sir Gawain
Go to that Blue Border thread. Many thought the original beta version was the most professional looking and efficient.
25 posted on 04/04/2002 12:06:54 PM PST by Texaggie79
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It took forever to load. Maybe he could make it an option as well as the old style an option.
26 posted on 04/04/2002 12:08:57 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: BADJOE; John Robinson
"Now that I am accostomed to what I have, if I leave it alone will it stay the same?"

My sentiments exactly.

Although, John, I'm liking this format more and more every day. You've done a heck of a job. I keep finding new areas, kind of like a grandma's attic.

27 posted on 04/04/2002 12:09:50 PM PST by Slip18
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To: Dales
I don't know if this still works: http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/edit-style
28 posted on 04/04/2002 12:10:01 PM PST by John Robinson
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To: Sir Gawain
eh? How can a background color of a table lengthen the DL time. It was just slow because of all the changes that day.
29 posted on 04/04/2002 12:11:11 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: B Knotts; AppyPappy; Texaggie79; Sir Gawain
It's possible to bring back (in a way) the layout of the old beta.

And depending on what people wanted from the old design, it might be possible to bring back some of those too.

30 posted on 04/04/2002 12:12:15 PM PST by John Robinson
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To: Texaggie79
The page was loading like the background was a freaking bitmap. Plus I don't like change, so there.
31 posted on 04/04/2002 12:13:23 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: John Robinson
It seemed like it uploaded it. But what url do I give in the settings to get it to work now? :-)
32 posted on 04/04/2002 12:14:34 PM PST by Dales
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To: John Robinson
Maybe a link to point back to the old FR? Like we're switching between beta and normal, have an "Old School" or "Default".
33 posted on 04/04/2002 12:15:13 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
It was because the entire site was slow from all the activity. If it was back up it would be fast. And I think eventually a choice of either style would be good. I just hope the newcomers see the blue border one. I was getting messages from some of my Web design buddies asking when a professional design firm took over FR and how professional it looked.
34 posted on 04/04/2002 12:15:53 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
From what people were saying, it sounded like maybe certain versions of Internet Explorer were using 100% CPU trying to render parts of the page.

It loaded quickly for me, but I use Konqueror on Linux.

35 posted on 04/04/2002 12:15:55 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: John Robinson
In other words- what url points to the file that I just uploaded? It never told me, so I don't know where to go to put it in.
36 posted on 04/04/2002 12:18:12 PM PST by Dales
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To: John Robinson
You'll kill yourself trying to make everyone happy. You are better off coming up with a really professional style that comes off a Forum link on the front page (used mostly by newbies). The old links (perl\latest, etc) point to the old style.

The new people (and anyone who wants to use it) can use the 2002 style while the old timers use the 1999 style. If you use PHP, it wouldn't be that hard to maintain because the HTML stays the same.

37 posted on 04/04/2002 12:18:44 PM PST by AppyPappy
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It couldn't be the blue background. it's just a color. Especially the original color of it, since it was a web safe color. The font changes would use more space, however still very little.
38 posted on 04/04/2002 12:19:27 PM PST by Texaggie79
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To: B Knotts
I use IE over a 33.6 modem and it loaded fine.
39 posted on 04/04/2002 12:19:46 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Dales
Argh, English is your friend, Gerry.

I know which page to go to in order to put the url to the stylesheet I want to use. I just don't know what the path is to where that page uploaded it into so that I can put the url in the stylesheet setting preference page.

40 posted on 04/04/2002 12:19:51 PM PST by Dales
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To: John Robinson
These style sheets are fun! FreeRepublic is very purple at the moment and I have my flag border back! :)
41 posted on 04/04/2002 12:25:02 PM PST by Tami
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To: John Robinson
Never mind, cool, I figured it out. If you use that upload program, then the URL to use is just /perl/css (I found it because apparently the reply page uses that stylesheet regardless of what you set in your preferences. Since my stylesheet changed the background color, I noticed that after I uploaded my css using that link you gave, the background on my reply page was different.
42 posted on 04/04/2002 12:27:15 PM PST by Dales
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To: John Robinson
I can't wait. Thanks! Your hard work always pays off.

Do you bake cookies in your ((spare time)) too?

43 posted on 04/04/2002 12:30:41 PM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: Dales
Oops. /perl/css
44 posted on 04/04/2002 12:44:15 PM PST by John Robinson
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To: Tami
I wonder how you got that flag border back? :-)
45 posted on 04/04/2002 12:46:11 PM PST by John Robinson
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To: John Robinson
Hum..... I wonder!! :)
46 posted on 04/04/2002 12:53:04 PM PST by Tami
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To: Sir Gawain
i liked the blue
47 posted on 04/04/2002 12:53:32 PM PST by smith288
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To: John Robinson
Pantas Re ;)

It took a little fumblin' and a-bumblin' on my part to get used to the new format, but I'm likin' it. Thanks for all your hard work.

48 posted on 04/04/2002 1:00:23 PM PST by lds23
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John,

Do you actually sleep sometime? Or have you managed to clone yourself?

Keep up the good work, it's appreciated!

49 posted on 04/04/2002 1:06:50 PM PST by RikaStrom
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To: RikaStrom
Eh, I get about as much sleep as the next machine.
50 posted on 04/04/2002 1:27:29 PM PST by John Robinson
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