[Ian McGreggor]

"The proposals will be a test for Bush because some House Republicans are skeptical and even hostile to the idea of liberalizing immigration controls...

Good! I hope Congress kicks Bush's butt on this! Bush should concentrate on the 3,000,000 Americans who have lost their jobs since he took office instead of worry about millions of illegal aliens... I voted for Bush in '00, but I can guarantee you it won't happen again.

I don't know if this petition will help (I found here at FreeRepublic), but I signed it and you might think about signing it, too... Thanks

Petition: http://www.stopimmigrationnow.org

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[PeteyPete]

I know GW needs some hispanic votes..but this kind of pandering is not acceptable. The Social Security system should be scraped, not enlarged by giving US taxpayers money to criminals.

[BOBTHENAILER]

Bush should concentrate on the 3,000,000 Americans who have lost their jobs since he took office instead of worry about millions of illegal aliens... I voted for Bush in '00, but I can guarantee you it won't happen again.

Good for you. Vote for Howard Dean.

Posted by a dedicatede DU TROLL.

[First_Salute]

These aliens are here illegally; they are breaking the law; they are paying money tantamount to bribery, into the Social Security system for which they have now obvious political gains made with President Bush, and he dares to aid and abett their criminal activities by summarily declaring that they have some right to get their money back!

[ETERNAL WARMING]

WE HAVE TO PREVENT JORGE FROM ANNOUNCING THIS! WE NEED NUMBERS!

Call toll free:

Whitehouse: 202-456-1414

Comment Line: 202-456-6213

House and Senate: 1-800-648-3516

Rep. Nat'l Committee" 202-863-8500 (not toll free)

COME ON FREEPERS! LET'S ROLL!

Somebody hit the ping list!

[FITZ]

There seems to be nothing in this at all for the American people. Some trade. In most deals there is a give and take but this is just give and give and give. Fox demands something, offers nothing --- he refused support on Iraq but we have to give in to everything he decides to dictate.

[tubavil]

Bush should concentrate on the 3,000,000 Americans who have lost their jobs since he took office instead of worry about millions of illegal aliens

Forget it. There are millions more illegal aliens than people he put out of work. The net vote gain is in Jorge's favor. Welcome to the Republican (not conservative) New World Order.

[jwh_Denver]

Thanks for the link. I signed the petition.

Foreign policy wise I think Bush has done a great job but domestically I wonder what the hell is he thinking. Chummy chummy with Fox? WTF?

I see this as a National Security which the Constitution provides taxing for our defense. I guess the Bush doesn't see it that way. No National Security from ALIENS.

[boycott]

I believe that Bush has adopted a "whatever it cost to get a vote" position.

"W" will not be out-spent by the democrats!!!! I know he has tried to push a lot of former President Reagan's issues but this isn't one of them.

[Kay Soze]

Ping/bump to push The GOP back to the right.

[ETERNAL WARMING]

Undocumented workers now pay billions of dollars annually into Social Security but do not collect benefits because they give their employers fraudulent Social Security numbers.

THat is an absolute lie! Less than 6% pay any taxes at all! This is BS and is simply a back door amnesty! Don't let them get away with it!

[ArmstedFragg]

they give their employers fraudulent Social Security numbers.

Perhaps I'm not grasping something, but if they're using phony SS numbers, how are we supposed to figure out who's entitled to what? The bogus cards are produced on a mass basis. We'll have fifty people making claims on one account, and all of them will, by filing a claim, be simultaneously admitting they've violated federal law by using a fraudulent work document. Then again, what's one more little federal violation?

This needs major re-thinking.

[Jorge]

President Bush will propose protections for the Social Security taxes paid by the workers who would come into the country under massive changes to immigration laws he plans to announce on Wednesday, Republican officials said Saturday.

Anybody who pays SS taxes should receive benefits.
Unless of course you think destitute illegals should pay for our retirement benefits.
I agree with Bush on this.

[JustPiper]

Undocumented workers now pay billions of dollars annually into Social Security but do not collect benefits because they give their employers fraudulent Social Security numbers.
Since when and HOW?!
8 posted on 01/04/2004 1:04:56 AM CST by JustPiper (Bush+Ridge=TagTeam for Amnesty! Write-In Tom Tancredo in March!!!)
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"a permanent class of temporary workers with no political power."
As it should be!!!

Lou , Joe Scarborough and Tancredo, our only hopes!
9 posted on 01/04/2004 1:06:27 AM CST by JustPiper
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at least 8 million undocumented immigrants -- about half of whom are Mexican -- living in the United States.
The stats Friends!

10 posted on 01/04/2004 1:07:23 AM CST by JustPiper
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Baja California. Bush will make his fourth presidential trip to Mexico for the summit on Jan. 12 and 13.
I was I could organize a FREEP! If ever a protest is needed it is here!!!

11 posted on 01/04/2004 1:08:34 AM CST by JustPiper
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RED IN THE FACE!

Fox said last month that the two countries are working on agreements to allow Mexicans "to go and come each year as many times as they want, without problems, and so that they can work with documents in the United States."

13 posted on 01/04/2004 1:11:03 AM CST by Pro-Bush (Homeland Security + Tom Ridge = Open Borders --> Demand Change!)
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Florida and New Mexico
Hell yeah I'm posting like mad, I'm po'd!

To Florida and New Mexico Freeper's...this is a callout to make your primary votes hurt! Write-In Tom Tancredo!!!
14 posted on 01/04/2004 1:11:07 AM CST by JustPiper
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Bush's proposals draw heavily on a bill introduced by Sen. John McCain, his rival in the 2000 primaries, and Reps. Jim Kolbe and Jeff Flake, all Arizona Republicans. That bill would create a Web-based Labor Department database of jobs that would be open first to U.S. workers and then to foreigners, who could be admitted with a "temporary worker" visa available for a maximum of six years.
ALL Rino's! Three Stooges!

15 posted on 01/04/2004 1:12:20 AM CST by JustPiper
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There was an interesting interactive conversation on our talk radio 101.5 NJ today.

They mostly were talking about illegals + contractors.

Good points were when contractors that don't use illegals bid on a job, they can't compete with contractors that do use illegals.

Obvious differences are, illegals don't need union benefits nor need to comply with minimum wage + insurance.

Contractors that use illegals win jobs 90% of the time.

One solution I have in mind....UNIONS should offer benefits. Keep this expense out of the employers hands. The unions can benefit this way, employers would have one less expense plus an incentive for using union workers. Union employees would then always be covered with benefits even off the job.

16 posted on 01/04/2004 1:16:30 AM CST by Calpernia
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[JustPiper]

To protest both President Bush's open borders/amnesty position as well as the Democrat's open borders/amnesty positions, there will be a No Shop Day on Monday, January 12th 2004. Below is a copy of the email that
is floating around on the internet about this.

Please forward this email to as many people as you can!

It would probably also make sense to let President Bush know if you plan to join in on the no shop day.
Whitehouse comments: 202-456-1111

Thanks,Greg

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STOPIMMIGRATIONNOW.ORG

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Our last alert is having an effect. I've noticed a change in several of the campaigns over the last few weeks. And their policy/issues folks have mentioned to me that they have had lots of calls about how guestorker amnesty rewards illegal aliens and only encourages more illegal immigration. So keep calling! Don't let them put you to
voicemail. Make sure you get to talk to a human being. Discuss the issue. Be kind, but firm!

At the very least we are letting them know that we aren't being tricked with this "guestworker" garbage. We know it is an amnesty! These guestworker programs all propose full US citizenship for illegal aliens.

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Government/Campaign Contact Info

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Whitehouse comments: 202-456-1111
Senate: http://www.senate.gov/
Congress: http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html

Department of Homeland Defense:
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/contactus

Department of Justice/John Ashcroft
AskDOJ@usdoj.gov
202-353-1555

President Bush's Campaign
BushCheney04@GeorgeWBush.com
703.647.2700

Republican National Committee
info@rnc.org
202.863.8500

Democratic National Committee
202-863-8000

Howard Dean Campaign
802-651-3200

Wes Clark Campaign
501-537-2004
http://www3.clark04.com/forms/contact.mhtml

Dick Gephardt
202-448-9300
info@dickgephardt2004.com

John Kerry
202-548-6800
http://www.johnkerry.com/contact/

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No Shop Day Details

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STOP AMNESTY - DO NOT SHOP ON MONDAY, JANUARY 12
Send Bush a Message in Mexico

See this story about the plans for an amnesty deal in Mexico.
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20031212-025708-2243r.htm

NO PLACE TO GO?
Carl Rove is advising President Bush that he can shove amnesty down
our throats because the people have -- NO PLACE TO GO, -- i.e., both
parties support the move. Since he says we have -- NO PLACE TO GO, --
we should all GO NO PLACE on Monday, January 12, the first day of
Bush's visit with Mexican President Fox in Mexico City.

Do no shopping on Monday, January 12. Buy nothing. Stay home from the
movies and restaurants, etc.

If enough Americans do this, Bush will be forced to back down on
amnesty and begin enforcing our immigration laws.

We must do this.

Spread the word.

Barbara Coe Chairman
California Coalition for Immigration Reform
http://www.ccir.net

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*** Please Forward, and sign the petition to
*** stop immigration now!
*** http://www.stopimmigrationnow.org

17 posted on 01/04/2004 1:19:00 AM CST by JustPiper

[JustPiper]

Bush's plans, many of which are similar to ideas endorsed by the Democratic presidential candidates in their platforms and debates, would be the most broad changes to immigration law since a bill signed by President Ronald Reagan in 1986.
Your gif please? Share?

[JustPiper]

FAIR Bush to Propose Broad Amnesty We regret having to interrupt your holiday season with bad news on the immigration reform front, but the Washington Post reports this morning that President Bush and Karl Rove-in order to appeal to Hispanic voters-are poised to announce a sweeping amnesty plan during the second week of January

Demand Better Treament for These Agents!!!

El Universal / The Herald -- Mexico City Ten years of free trade is enough The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), together with its environmental and labor side accords, took effect one decade ago this month on Jan. 1. -- The treaty tied Mexico to the apron strings of the United States and Canada in an effort to boost corporate profits by consolidating the largest international marketplace in the world.

Bush is fixing to 'legalize line-jumping!!!

[JustPiper]

Arizona Daily Star Border Edition

Tunnels found in Nogales tied to smuggling Mexican and U.S. officials are investigating the discovery of two smuggling tunnels found late Wednesday in Nogales, Sonora. -- Local police were searching an area on the western end of the city after a series of reports of suspicious activity when they tried to chase people into storm drains. When they didn't find anybody in the drain, police assumed they had used a tunnel.

Tunnels found in Nogales tied to smuggling (1-3-04)

[JustPiper]

(Courtesy of Freeper Cabal)

Please join us! Freeper Zipporah will be posting the GrassRoots CamPain to write in Tancredo in March - Bush is fixing to 'legalize line-jumping'

Freeper Winker's Creed:

No Person can be considered a "Contributor" to America un-less they are Identified,fingerprinted, placed on the Tax rolls and Social Security with a permanent Address making them a legal Tax paying Citizen;
subject to all the rights and provisions this Country provides to its citizens. Otherwise they continue to be a scab and a botch "WE THE PEOPLE"are obligated to support.

This is a pay as you go society and not a free lunch. If you live here you work here speak the FIRST Language and swear allegiance to the Constitution then you get to share equally in a system "EVERBODY" Supports and pays into! Time to come out of the woodworks and live in the open or follow your noses back across the Borders!

[WilliamofCarmichael]

The article said the ILLEGAL aliens pay billions into the system.

Think about it. Does it make sense? No! You're working already with a bogus Social Security number. A simple W-4 form could list N-number of dependents that wipe out withholding. Have the laws changed and you cannot do that any longer?

Nevertheless that only affects the few that are even bothering to obtain bogus documents.

I am just now starting at the top to read the replies. Maybe the W-4 question has been answered.