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Free Republic is not, must not, and will not turn into Dummyland
Dec/28/04 | jveritas

Posted on 12/28/2004 11:05:31 AM PST by jveritas

If you want to destroy a political forum then turn it into a conspiracy theories haven. This is exactly what is Democratic Underground known to us as Dummyland. At DU the lefties are running all type of insanely delusional conspiracy theories ranging from election fraud, to Bush is going to kill or imprison every Democrat in the country.

On the other hand Free Republic is the best political forum on the internet because the vast majority of posters use logic and facts to express their opinions and comments regarding a particular subject. Unfortunately in the last two months there have been a flood of threads on Free Republic where the conspiracy theory crowd have been living it a large. These threads deal with the illegal immigration issue and many of the posters on these threads used every conspiracy theory under the sun. These insanely delusional conspiracy theories tell us how President Bush is going to Mexicanize America, how he is going to destroy the American economy, how he is going to annihilate our culture and on and on and on. President Bush has been savagely attacked by these posters and he was called all type of names. These threads are being now the Bush bashing forum on Free Republic.

Leading the brutal attack against President Bush are the Buchanin loyalists and 3rd party voters. Yes you can go ahead and show a poll on FR where the majority disagrees with President Bush guest worker program but the vast majority of those are not hatefully attacking President Bush. The hate campaign is lead by a fringe group on FR and this fringe must no tarnish the reputation of this great forum.

We can disagree with President Bush on his illegal immigration plan but we should do so in a constructive and logical way. We must not allow these threads of immigration issue to be hijacked by the fringe that will turn into a “Bash Bush Party”, spread insanely delusional conspiracy theories on Bush plan to destroy America, and spew a lot of racism directed toward Latinos. In the same way the fringe is going after any freeper who disagrees with their Bush bashing and crazy conspiracy theories and accuse him or her of being a supporter to illegal immigration, wanting to destroy the nation, helping the terrorists, and on and on and on.

We should always remember that the Republican Party is the ruling majority because we were able to get ride of the fringe in our party, the Buchanin loyalists and extremists who turned into 3rd party voters.

Free Republic is the greatest of all political forum on the internet, let us keep it this way and let us prevent it from being hijacked by a fringe of Bush basher and insanely delusional conspiracy theorists.


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1 posted on 12/28/2004 11:05:31 AM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas

Who do you really work for?


2 posted on 12/28/2004 11:06:45 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: jveritas

What do you know, and when did you know it?


8^)


4 posted on 12/28/2004 11:07:37 AM PST by The SISU kid (I'm the swizzle stick in the cocktail of life)
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To: jveritas

The safeguard against that is the rule that you can't post vanities on this forum.


5 posted on 12/28/2004 11:07:54 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: jveritas

ok...


6 posted on 12/28/2004 11:07:57 AM PST by dakine
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To: jveritas

This personal screed borught to you by an illegal lover.


7 posted on 12/28/2004 11:07:58 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: jveritas

All your political forums belong to us...


8 posted on 12/28/2004 11:08:42 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: jveritas

Who's Buchanin?


9 posted on 12/28/2004 11:08:44 AM PST by Mike Bates (If you've been very, very good, Santa may give you. . . .)
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To: jveritas

well... I'm confused. why was this posted?


10 posted on 12/28/2004 11:09:05 AM PST by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: jveritas

So how much did Karl Rove pay you to post this?


11 posted on 12/28/2004 11:09:31 AM PST by ScottFromSpokane (We're none of us prefect.)
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To: jveritas
We can disagree with President Bush on his illegal immigration plan but we should do so in a constructive and logical way. We must not allow these threads of immigration issue to be hijacked by the fringe that will turn into a “Bash Bush Party”, spread insanely delusional conspiracy theories on Bush plan to destroy America, and spew a lot of racism directed toward Latinos.

Uh, inaction on illegal immigration is a serious, serious problem. Regarding racism towards Latinos, overt racism isn't tolerated here - and conversely, many Latino groups scream "racism!" at anyone questioning the status quo regarding immigration.

Are you interested in clearing the waters? Or stifling debate? on and on.

12 posted on 12/28/2004 11:09:45 AM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: jveritas

"gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism"

Says nothing about Republican....


13 posted on 12/28/2004 11:09:50 AM PST by dakine
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Hey, I have plenty of problems with Bush. I think it is important to discuss those as well as the good things. We would be more like DUmmyland if we did not. Any dissenting opinion about the 'Great Liberal Agenda' is discouraged over there. In fact you get banned. I personally walk lockstep with no man or party. Ws immigration policies SUX.


14 posted on 12/28/2004 11:10:00 AM PST by mlbford2 ("Never wrestle with a pig; you can't win, you just get filthy, and the pig loves it...")
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To: jveritas
You are, deliberately, I think, confusing honest questions and informed opinion and concerns with "conspiracy theories".

Personally, I don't believe you're that sharp. In fact, speaking of conspiracy theories...

15 posted on 12/28/2004 11:10:03 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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To: jveritas; hchutch
Leading the brutal attack against President Bush are the Buchanin loyalists and 3rd party voters.

A lot of the Buchananistas went radio silent (or were banned) prior to the 2000 election...

And then a bunch of people who claimed "Well, I voted for Bush, but Buchanan's da man on immigration, and I'm NEVER voting for Bush again..." showed up right after the 2000 election.

16 posted on 12/28/2004 11:10:06 AM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: jveritas

Does this mean I can put away my tin foil hat??


17 posted on 12/28/2004 11:10:32 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: jveritas
Free Republic is the greatest of all political forum on the internet, let us keep it this way and let us prevent it from being hijacked by a fringe of Bush basher and insanely delusional conspiracy theorists.

Hah! You should have seen it here in 1998. There was no accusation too wild to be believed and added to the catalog of the Administration's crimes. We looked a lot like DU does today back then. Fortunately, FR has grown up quite a bit. ;)

18 posted on 12/28/2004 11:10:52 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: jveritas
It's Rumsfeld's fault that FR was not uparmoured!!! Rumsfeld Rox!!!

Pray for W and Our Troops

19 posted on 12/28/2004 11:11:00 AM PST by bray (The First of 4 More Years!)
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To: bedolido
...Bush is going to kill or imprison every Democrat in the country.

This very message was formed in the bowl of my alphabet soup at lunch just yesterday!
Coincidence?...I think not!!

20 posted on 12/28/2004 11:11:44 AM PST by Snardius
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To: jveritas
What happens when a large influx of people come into a country with no aspirations of assimilating?

I'm for a guest worker program, but not until we can control who is coming into this country. And the only way that will happen is if wall up the border.
21 posted on 12/28/2004 11:12:00 AM PST by bahblahbah
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To: jveritas

I respectfully disagree.
I think it is important for the nuts and whacko's to be heard. That way you can ID them and expose their insanity.

Silencing dicussion is what the left does. Applying rules in an effort not to offend or upset is ridiculous.
Most of us are smart people who can parse the facts from the crap.
How is it do you think we ended up here?


22 posted on 12/28/2004 11:12:34 AM PST by t-1000 (Hecho...Lava Sus Manos?)
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To: jveritas

Only 22 posts and it's alredy in the SBR. Heh.


23 posted on 12/28/2004 11:13:18 AM PST by Constitution Day (Free presidio9!)
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To: Bikers4Bush
From the thread: In the same way the fringe is going after any freeper who disagrees with their Bush bashing and crazy conspiracy theories and accuse him or her of being a supporter to illegal immigration, wanting to destroy the nation, helping the terrorists, and on and on and on.

I rest my case.

24 posted on 12/28/2004 11:13:54 AM PST by jveritas
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"already", as well.

Dang rusty keyboard!

25 posted on 12/28/2004 11:14:04 AM PST by Constitution Day (Free presidio9!)
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To: jveritas

Very carefully worded post. I give you props for guts, but people are gonna tear this apart. I know you are saying for us to discuss our disagreements rationally, calmly, and in a mature fashion. I agree! The Dummies don't think...they just feel and speak. For the most part the people of this site are much more intelligent and mannerly. I am of the opinion that many on this site jump to conclusions too fast, but that opinion included...they are all opinions. I for one believe people have the right to express their opinion in whatever fashion, passion, or emotionally driven irrationalizations they feel like. That includes Dummies, Republicans, Buccananites, and any American Citizen...just not illegals. ;)


26 posted on 12/28/2004 11:14:48 AM PST by Jay777
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To: jveritas

I'm warning you...quit reading my mail!


27 posted on 12/28/2004 11:15:31 AM PST by Petronski (Don't ask me about my pneumonia...it's making me very cranky.)
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To: Constitution Day

What's the SBR?


28 posted on 12/28/2004 11:15:34 AM PST by Snardius
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To: jveritas
"Leading the brutal attack against President Bush are the Buchanin loyalists and 3rd party voters."

You hit the nail on the head. Most of the nutbags around here that have a persistent beef with the President do tend to ascribe to that philosophy and already have one foot in the DU mental grave.

29 posted on 12/28/2004 11:15:48 AM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: jveritas
A post of yours on another thread:

The Buchananite kooks are running crazy. It is a natural thing to happen to the kooks, they will only get more lunatic with time.

You have no grounds to complain about the tone of the debate on this subject.

30 posted on 12/28/2004 11:15:51 AM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: jveritas

Regardless of what you think of the 'fringe', it is pretty obvious that Bush's policy on immigration stinks.


I got more than annoyed when he talked about jobs that Amercians didn' want to do. I have seen more than a few jobs that Americans had no problem doing, but saw the wages dropping like DUmmies at a FReep convention.

I also have a problem with rewarding those who break the law. If you came here illegally, you ought to be sent back---not granted legal status.


31 posted on 12/28/2004 11:15:55 AM PST by fastattacksailor (The US without the UN is like not having your mother-in-law with you on your honeymoon)
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To: Mike Bates

As in a Pat Buttchanan follower.


32 posted on 12/28/2004 11:16:20 AM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: Jay777
I know you are saying for us to discuss our disagreements rationally, calmly, and in a mature fashion. I agree

Too bad his actions on other threads don't back up that sentiment.

33 posted on 12/28/2004 11:16:41 AM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: Jay777
For the most part the people of this site are much more intelligent and mannerly

Why, thank you...thankyouverymuch...

34 posted on 12/28/2004 11:16:57 AM PST by Snardius
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To: jveritas
Gossip psst! new theory - Hillary is really a man! Can I start that one????
35 posted on 12/28/2004 11:17:00 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: jveritas
...Bush is going to kill or imprison every Democrat in the country.

You mean he's NOT going to? Well, crap.

36 posted on 12/28/2004 11:17:01 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass)
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To: jveritas

>>Bush is going to kill or imprison every Democrat in the country.<<

Can I watch?


37 posted on 12/28/2004 11:18:11 AM PST by Humidston (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1282122/posts - Blood on the Potomac!)
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To: jveritas

RINO....hahaha, Just kidding!...Lighten Up, Francis...


38 posted on 12/28/2004 11:18:19 AM PST by dakine
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To: jveritas

I am an American and this is Free Republic. American, Free Republic. I don't know where you are from or your politics nor do I care, but it is for certain that you have no idea what << America, Free Republic >> Really Means!!

We have issues with our President and we will freely discuss these issues. I dare say that you would not have wanted to be near this website had John "The Traitor" Kerry been elected President!


39 posted on 12/28/2004 11:18:23 AM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: jveritas

I've read your posts. You are without doubt an illegal lover.


40 posted on 12/28/2004 11:18:31 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Snardius

Smoky Backroom


41 posted on 12/28/2004 11:18:39 AM PST by Constitution Day (Free presidio9!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The vast majority of the 1998 class of Free Republic are very good conservative Republicans, but why is it that many of the conspiracy theorists and Bush bashers came from the 1998 FR class?
42 posted on 12/28/2004 11:19:13 AM PST by jveritas
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To: Bikers4Bush

You got me I am so in love with illegal immigrants!
/sarcasm.


43 posted on 12/28/2004 11:20:01 AM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas

P.S. This site is billed as a conservative forum, not a republican one.


45 posted on 12/28/2004 11:21:19 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Constitution Day


gracias...


46 posted on 12/28/2004 11:21:34 AM PST by Snardius
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To: Bikers4Bush

Between his immigration policy, and now finding out that President Bush ISN'T gonna round up and kill all the democrats, I find myself pretty mad that I voted for the guy... That damned Bush. Leaving the democrats running around loose like that. Doesn't he care about America? Grrrr...


47 posted on 12/28/2004 11:22:34 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass)
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To: jveritas
Let me just make an observation. A certain mentality interested in politics just naturally gravitates to apocalyptic thinking, which usually requires the existence of a particularly ominous them, which in turn requires dark places where "conspiracies" are hatched.

Part of the art of understanding politics is to understand what is possible given the complex vested interests of all players in a particular scenario, and thereby accurately calculating the possiblity of "conspiracy" under whatever circumstances are being analyzed. Ninety-nine point nine percent of the time, the human condition being what it is, "conspiracy," on any large scale and to any wide effect, should simply be discounted as a explanation for why things are the way they are.

48 posted on 12/28/2004 11:23:26 AM PST by beckett
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To: dirtboy

I sense a conspiracy to stop any discussion about conspiracies. Anyone suspected to be consciously conspiring to aid or start a conspiracy will be conscripted and consigned to conspiracy hell. ;-)


49 posted on 12/28/2004 11:23:54 AM PST by Semper Vigilantis (If guns kill people then forks made Micheal Moore fat.)
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To: beckett
THEY told you to say that, didn't THEY?
50 posted on 12/28/2004 11:24:17 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass)
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