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MANIFESTO OF THE WPPFF/WILD TURKEYS/COALITION OF THE SANE
Me. | 29MARCH05 | Long Cut

Posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut

We, the Witness Protection Program For Freepers, aka the Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane, have through mutual discussion and rigourous thought, determined that:

1. The discussion threads regarding Terri Schiavo (hereafter referred to as "TS") have become too full of innuendo, rumormongering, hyperbole, hysteria, namecalling, paranoia, and general poor behavior to warrant participation.

2. Said threads have degenerated into "echo chambers", wherein the same, common thoughts are continually posted again and again, and the same old disreputable, unconfirmed and/or false urban myths are propagated.

3. Anyone who joins in said theads with alternative viewpoints to the most extreme posts are routinely driven away with slander, accusations, and vile namecalling.

4. No data or evidence contrary to the "prevailing opinions" are accepted, considered, or discussed; and in fact are rejected outright in most instances.

5. That the continued calls for armed insurrection, military or paramilitary involvement, impeachements of politicians and judges, and death threats are embarassing, stupid, shortsighted, doomed to failure, and contrary to most if not all conservative thought prior to this case, as well as damaging in the extreme to FR and the conservative movement as a whole.

6. That such emotional, hyperbolic, and propaganda-driven hysteria is in fact contrary to all conservatives USED to stand for.

7. That the holding up of swastika and other Nazi imagery towards the police and the Bushes, the use of children as political props, and the disruption of the peace at the Woodside Hospice can only reflect badly on conservatives in general, and should be discouraged.

8. That the pursuit of this issue to the exclusion of all others by the GOP has damaged, perhaps beyond repair, the pursuit of other important issues as well as the reputation of the GOP, FR, and conservatism.

The WPPFF is NOT of one mind as to the case of TS or its correct outcome. In fact, wide disagreement exists within our little group. However, we are united in our wish that reason and sanity be respected in the discussion, as well as the rights of all parties involved or participating. We wish to discuss this as adults and intellectuals, as conservatives and as FRiends, not as children screaming past each other on some playground of hysteria. We wish for facts and evidence to be provided, discussed reasonably, and considered fairly.

We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR.

We DO invite others to come and reasonably discuss the issue. We have no problem with FReepers who wish to debate in a rational and fair manner, and with due respect for their fellow FReepers. We have NO problem with those whose views are formed by religion; however we reject "preaching" or "being beaten with a Bible" as legitemite debate tactics. Not all of us are Believers, and such tactics only cheapen the source.

If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.

We assume this thread to be a zone of sanity in an overheated atmosphere. Thus, a general amnesty is in effect. If posters conduct themselves within the guidlines above, we will be happy to discuss and debate with you. If a poster wishes to apologize for past slips of the tongue, or for possible "over-the-top" statements to another, it will be graciously accepted, and your company welcome.

Please bring a sense of humor; we feel that too many have been taking themselves too seriously lately.

Let the discussion begin!

Signed,

The WPPFF, aka The Wild Turkeys, aka the Coalition of the Sane.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: antifreepers; antimilitary; bloodlust; cary; clownposse; du; eugenics; euthanasia; forcedexit; moles; murder; nazi; singer; trolls; wildturkeys; wppff; zot
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Posted with additions. Let the fun begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 posted on 03/29/2005 8:58:34 AM PST by Long Cut
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To: Long Cut

Suggested alternate name: "The Good Germans"


2 posted on 03/29/2005 9:00:29 AM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: Long Cut

Only took one post for someone to try and start another food fight.


3 posted on 03/29/2005 9:02:02 AM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: Poohbah; Howlin; Peach; malakhi; Trinity_Tx; Drango; atlaw; DCPatriot; verity; Indy Pendance; ...

Hm, it wouldn't post initially. I'm glad it's up. Everybody, ping your lists!


4 posted on 03/29/2005 9:05:58 AM PST by Long Cut (WPPFF Member.)
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To: Poohbah

The thread itself is an invitation to a food fight, and your comment is just as much participation in it as is mine.


5 posted on 03/29/2005 9:07:53 AM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: .38sw; ambrose; andysandmikesmom; Annie03; Beeline40@aol.com; Bella_Bru; BigSkyFreeper; ...

For your consideration.


6 posted on 03/29/2005 9:08:53 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Poohbah
And we will thus ignore the post.

I truly hope this takes off. It's almost a last-ditch attempt at returning some sanity to these threads.

7 posted on 03/29/2005 9:08:57 AM PST by Long Cut (WPPFF Member.)
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To: thoughtomator

The thread itself is an invitation to step back and think.


8 posted on 03/29/2005 9:09:32 AM PST by atlaw
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To: thoughtomator

On what do you base that canard?


10 posted on 03/29/2005 9:09:52 AM PST by cyncooper (I see pod people)
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To: Long Cut

Charter member of the WPPFF signing in...:~)


11 posted on 03/29/2005 9:10:06 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: thoughtomator
"We reject all accusations of Naziism, "death cultism", or other slander as methods of debate. We reject the practice of "spamming" multiple threads, of posting unending vanities, and the posting of propaganda and calls for violence. We reject, in fact, all unseemly and childish behavior which has come to characterize this case on FR."
12 posted on 03/29/2005 9:10:18 AM PST by Long Cut (WPPFF Member.)
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To: Long Cut
And we will thus ignore the post.

Please do NOT feed the trolls bump.

13 posted on 03/29/2005 9:10:46 AM PST by Drango (My tag line is takin' a nap. Please come back later.)
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To: Long Cut

Here, here! Long overdue and thank you.

I see it only took two posts before someone who can't discuss the issues rationally suggested an alternative name. LOL


14 posted on 03/29/2005 9:10:48 AM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Long Cut

AMEN.....


15 posted on 03/29/2005 9:11:03 AM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: thoughtomator
"If a FReeper finds this an acceptable meansd to discuss this and other issues, they are welcome to join in and participate. Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed."
16 posted on 03/29/2005 9:11:27 AM PST by Long Cut (WPPFF Member.)
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To: Long Cut

Sign me up


17 posted on 03/29/2005 9:11:54 AM PST by Don Munn
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To: thoughtomator

Obviously you didn't have a chance to read the thread.

1 posted on 03/29/2005 10:58:34 AM CST by Long Cut
2 posted on 03/29/2005 11:00:29 AM CST by thoughtomator


18 posted on 03/29/2005 9:11:59 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance

I'm a fast reader.


19 posted on 03/29/2005 9:12:20 AM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: atlaw

Amen at law, I found this place when Memogate came out. If I found it now I probably would have passed it by. Sad, but true.


20 posted on 03/29/2005 9:12:28 AM PST by MKM1960 (Now I know how Tom Daschle felt: "I'm saddened, deeply saddened")
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To: Long Cut

I'll take a shot of Wild turkey and join you!


21 posted on 03/29/2005 9:12:47 AM PST by Mr. K (mwk_14059 on yahoo IM)
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To: thoughtomator

As if calling themselves "sane" (and by extension, everyone else "insane") isn't an invitation to a fight.


22 posted on 03/29/2005 9:12:54 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Ghoul Power!)
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To: thoughtomator

Oh, nice.


23 posted on 03/29/2005 9:13:41 AM PST by .38sw
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

FR has always been a great place to discuss topics based on fact and documentation.

That has been missing of late on the main forum.


24 posted on 03/29/2005 9:14:35 AM PST by cyncooper (I see pod people)
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To: Mr. K; All
I've often referred to Wild Turkey as "Oil for Life's Frictions". Thus, the FR Wild Turkeys are "Oil for FR's Frictions".

Maybe we need a patch or a symbol of some kind.

25 posted on 03/29/2005 9:14:43 AM PST by Long Cut (WPPFF Member.)
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To: Drango
Please do NOT feed the trolls bump.

I'll bumpt to that.

26 posted on 03/29/2005 9:14:50 AM PST by .38sw
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To: Don Munn; Howlin

Howlin; please add Freeper Don Munn to your ping list for the WPPFF.


27 posted on 03/29/2005 9:14:57 AM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Mr. K

Can't endure these threads WITHOUT some Wild Turkey!!!


28 posted on 03/29/2005 9:15:23 AM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: Long Cut

This thread is an exercise in dogmatically declaring your own position to be correct, rejecting out of hand any argument that might be made to the contrary.

The name calling already on this thread is proof that this coalition of yours is anything but what you claim it to be.

Now, like the liberals, you demand only "acceptable means" to discuss the issue, and also like the liberals, this comes down in practice to mean "only those who agree with me are allowed to speak".

The very fact that you have to resort to that to prop up your position is an admission that you know it contains fatal flaws.


29 posted on 03/29/2005 9:15:35 AM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: Howlin

Thanks for the ping. Good morning. At least it's still morning out here on the Left Coast.


30 posted on 03/29/2005 9:15:40 AM PST by .38sw
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To: MKM1960

Isn't that sad? I've sent people here just 3 weeks ago and am embarrassed. But I've discussed what's going on with them and told them to check back in 2 months. LOL


31 posted on 03/29/2005 9:15:55 AM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: MKM1960
I certainly understand the passion this case has created, but the condition of the forum today is as bad as I've ever seen it. And there have been some ugly times here. The oldtimers know the episodes.

I'm pretty confident that sanity will return, but I'm getting impatient waiting for it.

32 posted on 03/29/2005 9:16:09 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Peach

Done.


33 posted on 03/29/2005 9:16:18 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Long Cut
SATAN!

34 posted on 03/29/2005 9:16:42 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Howlin

Thanks for the ping.


35 posted on 03/29/2005 9:16:46 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: thoughtomator

I asked you a question and would like an answer.

On what do you base your canard that this thread could also be called the Good Germans?

Answer and offer some type of evidence to support it.


36 posted on 03/29/2005 9:17:02 AM PST by cyncooper (I see pod people)
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To: Gabz

ka-ping!


37 posted on 03/29/2005 9:17:04 AM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: Long Cut

Yeah!! Reason, logic, and civility shall rule!


38 posted on 03/29/2005 9:18:00 AM PST by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - do the research, contact your legislators, get this puppy passed.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Exactly. This thread is pure hypocrisy, and its premise contradicts the reasons why FR exists.


39 posted on 03/29/2005 9:18:11 AM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: cyncooper
Those who find pleasure in attacks, flame-baiting, slander, stalking, and personal atacks will be ignored, and their egos will go unfed.

Ignore 'em.

40 posted on 03/29/2005 9:18:14 AM PST by Drango (My tag line is takin' a nap. Please come back later.)
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To: Howlin

Thanks for the ping. Glad to see this thread up!


41 posted on 03/29/2005 9:18:18 AM PST by unbalanced but fair
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To: ContraryMary; Former Military Chick; exnavychick; Modernman; MineralMan

PING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


42 posted on 03/29/2005 9:18:21 AM PST by Long Cut (WPPFF Member.)
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To: Dog Gone

I've read this forum from the start and know all the other upheavals. I never thought they were as bad as some did.

Until now.


43 posted on 03/29/2005 9:18:32 AM PST by cyncooper (I see pod people)
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To: Dog Gone

I can report that I ventured out last night onto some threads to discuss this matter and had some interesting conversations with people who disagreed with me but most of the freepers did not resort to name calling.

One who was a little testy apologized on the open forum and one sent me freepmail this morning.

It's progress.


44 posted on 03/29/2005 9:18:47 AM PST by Peach (I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Drango
Ignore 'em.

Bump to that.

45 posted on 03/29/2005 9:19:10 AM PST by .38sw
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; thoughtomator

Thanks for bumping the thread!


46 posted on 03/29/2005 9:19:11 AM PST by Long Cut (WPPFF Member.)
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To: Long Cut
I've been avoiding the TS threads (mostly) for the reasons you outlined. Unfortunately, there do seem to be some hot heads on both sides.
47 posted on 03/29/2005 9:20:33 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

Interesting that you posted the 47th post on the thread (c8


48 posted on 03/29/2005 9:21:11 AM PST by Poohbah (If it's called "collateral damage," how come I can't use it to secure a loan?)
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To: cyncooper
On what do you base your [perfectly valid observation] that this thread could also be called the Good Germans?

It's an exhortation to be silent and go along with the program regardless how morally reprehensible it might be. On that I find very close parallels to the "Good Germans" who went along with the program, regardless of how morally reprehensible it was. The fact that we are talking about starving a disabled person to death - a prime feature of the German euthanasia policies - makes it more than appropriate.

49 posted on 03/29/2005 9:21:19 AM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: thoughtomator
like the liberals, you demand only "acceptable means" to discuss the issue

I don't understand your vilification of the rules of engagement, civility, evidence, logic and reason. Are these not within your parameters of discussion?

50 posted on 03/29/2005 9:21:45 AM PST by Finger Monkey (H.R. 25, Fair Tax Act - do the research, contact your legislators, get this puppy passed.)
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