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Legalize Drugs--All of Them
The Seattle Times ^ | 12-4-05 | Norm Stamper

Posted on 12/04/2005 1:38:56 PM PST by libertyman

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To: ScreamingFist

A legalized drugs pharmacy.

41 posted on 12/04/2005 2:11:41 PM PST by Mojave
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To: stm
legalizing illegal drugs is not going to change the crime rate?

It will lessen the incentive for users to commit crimes to pay for their now-cheaper drugs.

42 posted on 12/04/2005 2:12:08 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

Hold on, let me try for a second to care what you say:








Nope. Can't do it. I don't care.


43 posted on 12/04/2005 2:12:50 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: libertyman

Crack kills.


44 posted on 12/04/2005 2:13:47 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Petronski
let me try for a second to care what you say

Don't bother; having established that you have nothing to say, I have no further interest in you.

45 posted on 12/04/2005 2:14:01 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

And where are street dopers going to get money to pay for their "cheaper" legal street drugs? Cash in food stamps?


46 posted on 12/04/2005 2:14:32 PM PST by stm
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Crack kills.

As does alcohol; shall we ban that drug too?

47 posted on 12/04/2005 2:14:40 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

Nope.














Still. Don't. Care.


48 posted on 12/04/2005 2:14:54 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: stm
where are street dopers going to get money to pay for their "cheaper" legal street drugs?

Wherever street alkies do: panhandling, can-collecting ....

49 posted on 12/04/2005 2:15:38 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: stm
Easy enough to punish misbehavior while under the influence and test for the presence of drugs, we do that right now. A saliva swab for drugs isn't any more invasive than a breath test for alcohol.

But if the price comes down to generic aspirin, there is no need for mugging little old ladies or for drive-by shootings of the competition.

Tony Soprano wants drugs to stay illegal, that keeps the prices (and profits) up!

50 posted on 12/04/2005 2:15:53 PM PST by Sooth2222
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To: libertyman
I favor legalization, & not just of pot, but also of all drugs, including heroin, cocaine, meth, psychotropics, mushrooms, & LSD.

The narcotics should be provided by the government, however you lose your right to vote.

51 posted on 12/04/2005 2:16:16 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Petronski
And wasting a lot of page space "not caring," at that. Keep cavorting for our amusement.
52 posted on 12/04/2005 2:16:51 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Mike Darancette
The narcotics should be provided by the government,

Why?

however you lose your right to vote.

Alkies, too? If not, why not?

53 posted on 12/04/2005 2:18:05 PM PST by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

Hmmm, let's see...............



























































Nope. You're still an irrelevant druggy. I just can't bring myself to care about your claims. So sad.


54 posted on 12/04/2005 2:18:56 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: Sooth2222
I can't believe what I'm f'n reading here. People on this forum actually advocating the legalization of illegal drugs??? You people have got to be $hitting me!!!!
55 posted on 12/04/2005 2:19:51 PM PST by stm
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To: GladesGuru
Could some informed individual show me the place in the Constitution where government is given the right to regulate recreational drugs?

Well, unlike the federal government, which is a government of limited powers, state governments have the police power. Thus, they can regulate most things for the health, safety, and morals of their citizens as long as they do not violate their own constitutions or the U.S. Constitution. Accordingly, Indiana can outlaw the growing of marijuana if the legislature passes a law doing so and the governor agrees.

Congress can regulate the interstate commerce of recreational drugs under Article I, section 8 as long as the regulation doesn't violate the U.S. Constitution. Thus, congress could criminalize the movement of recreational drugs between states.

Of course, many in the law enforcement community will tell you--I, a deputy prosecuting attorney will even admit it--that decriminalization and/or legalization of marijuana would be no great loss. We spend literally billions of dollars policing and prosecuting pot users. Then, we spend billions more monitoring them while they're on probation.
56 posted on 12/04/2005 2:19:53 PM PST by hispanichoosier
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To: Know your rights
panhandling, can-collecting ....

Pushing, prostitution, stealing...

57 posted on 12/04/2005 2:20:21 PM PST by Mojave
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To: libertyman
I think Stamper was forced to step down after using what were called "heavy handed" tactics to deal with the Seattle riots a few years back. I think he also admitted that he was not prepared to deal with them.

Now he seems to be wearing the Peter Pan libertarian hat and wants every conceivable drug to be available to all while admitting that he has no way of predicting how high incidence of drug abuse will climb after legalization. Back when Roe v. Wade was handed down, proponents of legalized abortion maintained that legalization of abortion would increase its incidence minimally if at all. How wrong they were.

Stamper also advocates stepped up treatment, education and other publically funded programs for those who abuse drugs after legalization. Again, since he has no idea how many will be tempted into a drugged lifestyle following legalization, he has no idea how much this will all cost. He therefore has no idea whether we will realize the savings in tax dollars and police time that he claims legalization will provide. With or without legalization, abusers who get in trouble with the law will still have to be arrested and still have to be "educated," "treated" and supervised in these new, expanded social programs he wants us to finance.

Fortunately, we're not going to have to find out what Stamper's scheme will cost us, because the first federal legislator to sponsor a legalization bill that has any chance of passing will be assassinated by the drug lords.

58 posted on 12/04/2005 2:20:28 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: libertyman
Are laws against smoking in "public" (e.g., bar, restaurant, mall) the only bogus laws? No, of course not. The following emphasizes the underlying problem... and a solution.

Note:  'You' is used generically directed toward those that support violating persons unalienable rights.

If a person thinks they have been harmed by another person's act of possessing or using a drug or smoking then the person should take the drug possessor or smoker to court and convince an impartial jury. That way the "victim" may gain restitution for his or her pain and suffering.

You've never done that because you know that even if the judge didn't refuse the case as frivolous it would be highly improbable that you'd ever convince an impartial jury that the mere act of a person possessing drugs or smoking in "public" caused you harm. 

Instead, you'll argue that drug possession and or use or smoking in "public" causes harm to society -- causes harm to the group. You'll take a communitarian stand. Of course, you'll have to turn a blind eye to reality. That is, for a group of people to exist there is a prerequisite that first the individual must exist. 

Each time an individual is sacrificed -- in whole or in part -- the group suffers a loss.  Protect the rights of the smallest minority -- the lone individual -- and the rights of all minorities and the majority are protected.

The federal government creates each year, on average, 3,000 new laws and regulations. Each one of those laws has people that support it and will argue why the new law is necessary. Proclaiming that without those new laws people and society will run headlong into destruction.

In reality virtually every person breaks one or more laws several times a year. Yet with every person violating the law people and society have not moved toward self-destruction. Instead, individuals and society have increasingly prospered.

Over the past several years and decades people and society increasingly prospered despite not having the supposed benefits of future laws yet to come. Today, people and society increasingly prosper despite not having the supposed benefits of next year's new laws or, new laws to come five, ten or fifteen years in the future.

Ninety-eight percent of the people do not knowingly initiate force, threat of force or fraud against any person or their property. They do not violate any person's unalienable rights. Though, through widespread ignorance most people negligently support government initiation of force/harm against persons and their property. See War of Two Worlds below.

Setting aside for the moment that government officials in all three branches of government violate laws, if it were possible to apprehend all lawbreakers next week, society would run headlong into destruction. It would come to a screeching halt.

As it is, a very small fraction of lawbreakers are ever apprehended for the laws they violate. The few that are apprehended and punished cause a drain on their lives, families and society. Meanwhile everybody else that violates the same laws, while semi free, also pay the price of having their brothers and sisters sacrificed for the greater good of society.

Parasitical elites in government know they can't apprehend but a tiny percentage of people that break the law. They know that everybody breaks the law and that people and society increasingly prosper despite massive lawlessness. But it's only massive lawlessness in regards to violating political agenda laws -- collective, groupthink laws -- unjust laws.

That 98% of people do not initiate force/harm against anyone, thereby people en mass demonstrate the validity of just laws against murder, rape, assault, kidnapping, theft and other acts of initiation of force 

Who are winners? Who are the losers?

The beneficiaries are the politicians, bureaucrats and their automatons. They're parasites leeching off The People, the hosts. Value destroyers draining value producers.

In reality, the value producers are the winners. For they live by their own productive efforts whereas parasitical elites usurp unearned livelihoods off the efforts of value producers.

It really is a war, to the death, between two groups of people: 64

War of Two Worlds

Value Producers
vs.
Value Destroyers

59 posted on 12/04/2005 2:20:33 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: King Prout
legalize 'em all - just make penalties for misbehavior and mistakes while intoxicated rather dire and inescapable, and end all government funding and insurance liability for users (and I mean this for alcohol as well)

then... let fools perish and the cautious live as they will.


I sure wouldn't want to be the company selling crack cocaine, heroin, etc. Just wait for the lawsuits from little Johnny's parents, who don't appreciate that your product made him a crackhead. You can decriminalize this stuff, but will legitimate companies really want to sell it?
60 posted on 12/04/2005 2:21:06 PM PST by Rastus
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