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Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

Posted on 12/17/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Full Court
Here's a big giggle for ya, since you didn't have the decency to post the outcome. The IRS returned the 3 cars it seized.

And you think that important exactly why?

The IRS is always willing to return seized property if you cough up the cash instead. You know, the cash he owed because he hasn't filed federal income tax returns since 1989.

In fact, barring a showing that the lien didn't exist or there was some procedural or due process error in the seizure process, coughing up the cash is the ONLY way to get property back before it's sold.

The only outcome which will result in a giggle will be the incarceration of this clown in federal prison. Hopefully for at least 10 years.

You also made a ridiculous claim about 200 posts back about Hovind only taking in a million dollars over a period of 8 years.

Since your reading comprehension is so poor, I'll repeat again what IRS Special Agent Schneider said:

Since 1997, HOVIND has engaged in financial transactions indicating sources of income and has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess of $1,000,000.00 per year during some of these years which would require the filing of federal income tax returns.

Here's another clue for you. It doesn't matter what his expenses may have been, the requirement to file is based on gross income, period.

You may now resume making things up.

921 posted on 12/17/2005 10:25:15 PM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: Ichneumon

"Yes, can't risk having your thoughts contaminated by actual information..."

But I'm gonna go back to it tomorrow and next week to peruse and read at my pleaseure. What I meant is that it's diffucult to read the whole theng and keep pace with the posts.


922 posted on 12/17/2005 10:25:25 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Jorge
No. I'm Right. And in fact Darwin agrees with me and said as much.

Quote from Darwin wherein he states that "Evolution is an idiot theory designed to disprove the Bible."
923 posted on 12/17/2005 10:25:26 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Ichneumon
"The Bible is clear for all those who are really interested in what God has to say."

It says to me that you're wrong.

Then show me where.

You can't do it.
Phoney.

924 posted on 12/17/2005 10:25:46 PM PST by Jorge (Q)
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To: Jorge
>>Our God is powerful enough to create evolution.

>Just like God is powerful and loving enough to create homosexuals. Incredible!

I believe in evolution, so I'm gay. I remember using that argument years ago when playing kickball and arguing about foul balls, but by the time I was in middle school I had left that behind. Still, if that's all you have, I don't want to take it away from you.

925 posted on 12/17/2005 10:26:40 PM PST by Thalos
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To: Baraonda
10,000+ Christian clergy disagree with you on that.

[I don't know where you got that number]

You *really* need to work on your reading comprehension...

[OK. I admit that 1)I'm tired, and 2)I'm not the brightest bulb in the family. But what did I say that deserves of such a response?]

You said that you "don't know where I got that number", when I very plainly described where the number came from (and linked to the source) in the post (#864) I made less than an hour ago, and that I *know* you've read because you had responded to it...

I can't figure out how you could have read that post and *not* understood "where I got that number".

926 posted on 12/17/2005 10:27:04 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Dimensio
"No. I'm Right. And in fact Darwin agrees with me and said as much."

Quote from Darwin wherein he states that "Evolution is an idiot theory designed to disprove the Bible."

Darwin states that evolution is contrary to what the Bible teaches.

Please don't tell me that you are so uneducated on Darwin that I have to provide you with his quotes on this.

927 posted on 12/17/2005 10:29:03 PM PST by Jorge (Q)
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To: Thalos
I believe in evolution, so I'm gay.

Huh?

928 posted on 12/17/2005 10:30:08 PM PST by Jorge (Q)
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To: Jorge
Darwin states that evolution is contrary to what the Bible teaches.

Even if he did, that's not what you initially claimed. You called evolution an "idiot theory" and you said that it was designed to "disprove the Bible". Retroactively changing your claim now is fundamentally dishonest.

Please don't tell me that you are so uneducated on Darwin that I have to provide you with his quotes on this.

Why? Are you lying about what Darwin said and unable to support your claim?
929 posted on 12/17/2005 10:31:17 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

"Quote from Darwin wherein he states that "Evolution is an idiot theory designed to disprove the Bible.""

If he did, I don't think he put it those terms. But it's a well known fact that Darwin had doubts about evolution as a theory of how life began.


930 posted on 12/17/2005 10:31:18 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Baraonda
But it's a well known fact that Darwin had doubts about evolution as a theory of how life began.

Evolution isn't a theory of how life began. Why would Darwin have doubts about his theory regarding claims that it does not even make?
931 posted on 12/17/2005 10:33:27 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Ichneumon

"I can't figure out how you could have read that post and *not* understood "where I got that number"."

Ok, so the link at #864. But I've been skipping the long posts tonight, as I mentioned to you earlier. I honestly didn't see the link, or I would not have questioned your number.

Taken note of it's post #864. Shall read it tomorrow or next month...Too many assignments.


932 posted on 12/17/2005 10:37:29 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Full Court

It was not you that tried to prescribe drugs, it was eleni121...she told me to take an ambien...my point, missed by you, was that two different creationists are now trying to act like medical doctors...

Just know this...if you claim that I am drunk, you will be bearing false witness...


933 posted on 12/17/2005 10:40:52 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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Huge amount of data in PatrickHenry's List-O-Links see you tomorrow

===> Placemarker <===

934 posted on 12/17/2005 10:41:36 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Dimensio

"Evolution isn't a theory of how life began. Why would Darwin have doubts about his theory regarding claims that it does not even make?"

He did not make those claims because he knew nobody would believe him and his evolution theory. So, he conveniently did not make those claims that evolution does not help explain how life began for fear of being labeled a fake, a fraud and a charlatan, which he was, btw.

Does it make any sense, or is it getting too late for moi here?


935 posted on 12/17/2005 10:41:45 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Baraonda
He did not make those claims because he knew nobody would believe him and his evolution theory.

No, he didn't make the claim because the process of evolution cannot explain the ultimate origin of life. It can only explain resulting diversity from existing life.

So, he conveniently did not make those claims that evolution does not help explain how life began for fear of being labeled a fake, a fraud and a charlatan,

Darwin was clear on keeping the ultimate origin of life as a matter seperate from the theory of evolution. Only idiots and liars claim otherwise.

which he was, btw.

Your evidence for this assertion?

Does it make any sense, or is it getting too late for moi here?

It is very clear that you are quite willing to lie both about the theory of evolution and about Darwin. Not surprising, though, as I've come to expect nothing but sheer dishonesty from the creationists on FR.
936 posted on 12/17/2005 10:45:20 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Coyoteman

That link is another humongous assignment. Uffah! I'll see which one I'll read first. All this evolution nonsense ought to keep me busy for a couple of years.


937 posted on 12/17/2005 10:45:33 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Baraonda

Anyone can claim that they have visions...There are all kind of scammers who claim that very thing...do I believe it? Not for a second...


938 posted on 12/17/2005 10:45:37 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: Jorge
[You obviously didn't major in Biology...]

Actually biology was one of my strongest subjects,

So I'm right, you didn't major in it.

and I got straight A's not only in College but also in High School.

Of course you did. And I'm frequently on the cover of GQ.

I love biology and bet I could run circles around you in any discussion on the topic.

Then go right ahead, show us what you've got. I'll try to keep up.

["I am an ex-evolutionists turned Christian."]

Somehow I doubt that.

[Who the hell cares what you "doubt".]

You obviously care enough to get ticked off about it.

You don't know me. You have never met me.

No, but I've met many who sound just like you, and I know how *those* discussions turned out, so I'm just going with the odds. Feel free to surprise me, though, I'll be as pleased as anyone if I turn out to be mistaken in my impression.

The idea that you chose to call people you know nothing about liars about their personal lives because they disagree with you shows how pathetically weak your arguments really are.

The idea that you can be so dense as to mistake my expression of doubt to be the same as "calling you a liar" shows how pathetically poor your reading comprehension is. Did you *really* get 4.0's in your classes dealing with language and verbal arts?

"Evolution is an idiot theory designed to disprove the Bible."

[Wrong, but thanks for playing.]

No. I'm Right.

Feel free to actually *support* your claim, instead of the bluster and giggling you've done so far.

And in fact Darwin agrees with me and said as much.

Oh, *this* should be fun. Go ahead and document your claim, son. You're not going to be so reckless as to tell us the old Lady of Hope lie again, are you? That one's so goofy that even AnswersInGenesis (a creationist organization) denounces it.

And, just what kind of idiot who allegedly had Biology as "one of his strongest subjects" would be so braindead as to think that even if Darwin *had* changed his mind, that it would in *any* way damage evolutionary biology? Science rests upon the evidence itself, not on who might or might not have doubts. Are you *sure* you've taken science courses? If so, you didn't learn much in them.

You do know who Darwin is don't you?

Yes, and I know him well enough to know that you're talking horse manure.

And by the way if you think people are going to bother reading the enormous volumes of reading material you posted, think again.

Lots of people have read it. If your attention span is too small, it's surprising you got through school with 4.0's. But hey, if Biology is actually one of your "strongest subjects", you should *know* all this material already, no need to actually read it. Just skim it to see what subjects I've covered, then write your rebuttal. Right? I mean, if you *are* actually the hotshot you claim you are...

If you can't make a short and to the point response to a post, nobody is going to waste their time mulling through huge reading assignments looking for information because you are not articulate enough to make your point.

What, you don't *know* this material already? Even though Biology is (you claim) "one of your strongest subjects?

But okay, here's the short version: The evidence for human/ape common ancestry is overwhelming, and independently cross-confirms across multiple lines of evidence. So where do you get off denouncing it as "transparently idiotic", without a *very* good explanation of where, exactly, those many lines of evidence and their attendant tens of thousands of research results are flawed, and why?

Come on, son -- if you're actually the "convert" from evolution to Christianity that you claim you are, you should be personally aware of plenty of material which describes what, exactly, you discovered to be wrong with the foundations of evolutionary biology. So let's see it.

Give us all a major break.

Just how young are you?

939 posted on 12/17/2005 10:48:23 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Dimensio

"No, he didn't make the claim because the process of evolution cannot explain the ultimate origin of life. It can only explain resulting diversity from existing life."

Why do I feel this Darwin character plagiarized God's work - ie the Bible?

"Your evidence for this assertion?"

It's my opinion tha he was. I mean, if I wrote, it must be MY opinion, right?

"It is very clear that you are quite willing to lie both about the theory of evolution and about Darwin."

I'm not liying, I'm just offering my educated opinion based on experience, research, educational backgroung and belief.


940 posted on 12/17/2005 10:51:41 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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