Posted on 12/20/2005 7:54:38 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
Fox News alert a few minutes ago says the Dover School Board lost their bid to have Intelligent Design introduced into high school biology classes. The federal judge ruled that their case was based on the premise that Darwin's Theory of Evolution was incompatible with religion, and that this premise is false.
Reason and good sense triumph.
PING
Yup.
Legislating from the Bench.
Another judge (an agent of the government) making an official government proclamation about what is and isn't religion.
And I thought the constitution forbid the GOVERNMENT from establishing religion. Judges seem to be free from this restriction, and rule all the time about what IS and ISN'T religion.
I'd feel pretty upset if some judge said a symbol of MY religion was acceptable because it wasn't REALLY a religion.
Another defeat for the American Taliban.
Thank God!
Thank The Sum of All Laws of the Universe, our children may yet grow up able to compete with other scientific minds in the world.
Good. Intelligent design doesn't belong in science classes.
What was the count?
Great! Teach creation in sunday school, not science class. That's where it always belonged.
Next thing they will be shooting people in the head.(/S)
BTW ,Your post is moronic.
Yes! I wonder what housing costs are in Dover, PA?
Check later to see how thread evolves.
The constitution doesn't say anything about practicing your religion in a public school.
I don't believe this judge said you can't go to the church of your choice and worship any way you choose. That's what the separation of church and state is all about, not teaching religious "theories" in science class.
Judge's ruling, as I understand it.
How so? Religion does not belong in our schools science classes, why not? Because it's not science it's religion. Seems more like common sense to me.
"Thank The Sum of All Laws of the Universe, our children may yet grow up able to compete with other scientific minds in the world."
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Yes through homeschooling.
Oh...were you meaning public schools?
Because evolution is the only scientificly proven "theory" about the existence ofthe universe.
I always thought we are told to be tolerant of other peoples beliefs and their world views. All are equal unless it involves God.
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Of course Darwinism is incompatible with religion. It is secular by design. No God is needed in their world. In fact a God, if proven, would eviscerate their theory. They can't afford even a glimmer of a hint that God might actually exist or have created the world.
I have always wanted a "testible hypothesis" from the evolution crowd but there is no such testible hyposthesis to be able to get something from nothing.
They can always produce results from already created materials but have yet to create something from nothing.
Correct.
I always thought we are told to be tolerant of other peoples beliefs and their world views. All are equal unless it involves God.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be respectful of creation accounts, but we can be respectful without teaching them in science class.
Good!
Not in the slightest. It's why people 500 years ago believed the Sun revolved around the Earth.
Well someone with a higher order sense had to CREATE the thread!! /s
Quick read and I you've got to like this
"Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an
activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court.
Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction
on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find a
constitutional test case on ID,"....The breathtaking inanity of the
Board’s decision is evident when considered against the factual backdrop which
has now been fully revealed through this trial. The students, parents, and teachers
of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources.
As expected. I'm looking forward to reading the actual ruling.
In the meantime, I have my bag of popcorn here, and will watch the proceedings in the thread.
As I understand it, evolution theory (of whatever variety) doesn't have anything to say about the origin of the cosmos and the initial conditions attendant thereto.
The much-awaited decision in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area School District is now available.
The 139 page document finds for the plaintiffs.
Judge Jones finds that “intelligent design” is not science. The DASD ID policy violates both purpose and effect prongs of the Lemon test, and also violates the Pennsylvania constitution.
When it is God's hand which is holding atoms together, which is the reason God belongs in the science classroom.
Hopefully the school board won't appeal given their new members & the last election. Once is enough. They need not embarass themselves any further.
Totally false. Most religions both now and in the past are perfectly compatible with Darwin's theory. In fact, if a God were proven to exist, from a rational standpoint what it would eviscerate is the notion that Genesis is literal history.
Well, duh!!
Was any other outcome really expected? Thanks for posting it though!
Goddidit, goldang it. And if you don't agree, you're a bloodsucking Commie leftist Democrat and should be hung with all the other traitors. [/sarc]
I forgot to add the sarcasm but I am sure you got that. Never really have found in all my reading where evolution is scientifically proven. The evolution crowd still can't get around creating something from nothing though. I can't find a way around that one to start let alone the complexities of the universe.
Sure, God made the rain fall, so why bother learning about silly things like the water cycle. /sarc
Yes but who's version of God, would that be a Catholic version, or do we all get a couple of snakes and go at it.
Obviously the Judge all the biology we've done since the late 19th century flunked Bio 101.
"Because evolution is the only scientificly proven "theory" about the existence ofthe universe.
Really? Can you operationally define the dependent and independent variables that functioned in the experiment that 'proved' evolution?
This is not an attack, I'm just curious about the parameters of the scientific experiment that 'proved' evolution theory to be correct.
Well, duh -- that is a necessary judicial function.
For example, if some clown in the federal pen declares that he just converted to a religion that requires him to dine on sirloin steak and pistachio ice cream every day and sues to be provided with those delicacies, then the judge is going to have to rule on whether or not this is a genuine religion or an excuse to pester the prison authorities. The same principle applies here.
So now it is going to be unlawful to read a classroom as statement that their is some problems with ToE, and there are other books in the library that promote ID for reading if they wish to explore them.
Sounds like another victory for the ACLU and their supporters. No big suprise.
"The evolution crowd still can't get around creating something from nothing though. "
Gosh all rooty. And guess what, evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life at all. So, they're not involved in that little struggle.
In some circles, to say that "evolution is compatible with Christianity" would require that evolution be banned from the classroom on those grounds. (I hope that's a joke!)
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