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To: Coleus
As an long time infertility patient who has a child conceived with IVF technology, this is offensive to me. >:-( Let's tell people who use wheelchairs that God meant for them to be crippled. Let's tell people who use glasses and hearing aids that God meant for them to be blind and deaf. Let's tell people who die on the operating table we can't use the resusciation machines because intended them to die. God gave man the technology to help those who have the disease of infertility the chance to be parents. Yes, there should be better oversight as far as clinics and doctors go--BUT--IVF does NOT equal ABORTION!!!! >:-( This is my child blessed by God, conceived by me with the help of IVF technology. You tell me she's an abomination, and I'll slug you. I mean it. Her name is Maya ("God's Creative Power") Grace ("Gifts Received At Christ's Expense") and she is the best gift my husband and I have ever gotten from God. :*)
6 posted on 01/03/2006 5:41:16 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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To: pillut48

The immorality of the IVF procedure consists primarily in the destruction of the multiple extra embryos that are created in a laboratory along with the one or two that successfully come to birth. The moral principle violated by this procedure is the most fundamental of all moral tenets: one can never do an evil in order that good may come of it. Here, the sacrifice of the many babies in order to get one or two to grow into healthy children is so wrong that it overrides the infertile couple's right to have a child.


One baby created at the expense of dozens of others is a macabre tradeoff. We must stand squarely on the side of the dignity of the human person, and we can be grateful that the many God-fearing Christians and other Church denominations do not hesitate to speak out-oftentimes in the face of fierce criticism, in defense of the innocent from unprincipled actions.


7 posted on 01/03/2006 5:46:14 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: pillut48

She's a beautiful child! And one of over a million now BORN thanks to assisted fertility technology.

I got to wonder if some of these zealots propose holding funerals for used tampax.

You take care and hug that baby!


8 posted on 01/03/2006 5:49:01 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: pillut48

Thank you for sharing your story and saying what you said.


14 posted on 01/03/2006 5:59:31 PM PST by Nick5
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To: pillut48
If the truth offends you, that's your problem ... you're not the only person in the world who ever had fertility problems, so quit playing the martyr.

People playing frankenstein games is deeply offensive to me; people rationalizing them is even more offensive.

Don't whine about me making this personal: YOU made it personal.

24 posted on 01/03/2006 6:31:19 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: pillut48

Beautiful child. My congratulations.


27 posted on 01/03/2006 6:53:52 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: pillut48
You tell me she's an abomination, and I'll slug you. I mean it.

Congratulations on your beautiful daughter. Our daughter was from our third IVF. I'll join in on the slugging with you.

Ignore the doofusses who know nothing about human reproduction on this thread. They're too ignorant to know they created dozens and dozens of embryos that failed to develop or implant, for one reason or another. In fact, research on IVF failures is leading biologists to believe that the actual failure rate in normally fertile couples is much higher than previously thought.

Anyway, enjoy your daughter and good luck if you decide to pursue another IVF.

40 posted on 01/03/2006 7:32:38 PM PST by mikegi
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To: pillut48

"ou tell me she's an abomination, and I'll slug you. I mean it"

Nobody called her an abomination.

Your destruction of her brothers and sisters to quench your selfishness - your actions - those were the abominations.


82 posted on 01/04/2006 10:33:00 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: pillut48
She is stunningly beautiful with a wonderful light in her eyes! I'll bet dollars to donuts the boys will go crazy over her when she is about 16 and you all will be beating them off with sticks!

Give her an extra hug tonight. She's a lucky little girl to have you.

89 posted on 01/04/2006 11:05:26 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: pillut48
Don't worry the idiotic bigots around here will demonstrate what crappy human beings they are. Have you been called selfish yet? Have you been been demeaned for not adopting? I have yet to read through the rest of the thread.

For stupid reason there are people here against fertility treatments. The VAST majority of patients are normal married couples, not lesbians or someother weirdos, etc.. For some reason or another there is a contingent of Ludites against fertility treatments.

90 posted on 01/04/2006 11:07:25 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: pillut48

Beautiful child!

My wife and I had our son (just had birthday number 1 on Dec 23)after 4 tough miscarriages. (wife has thin uterine lining and can't seem to attach placenta.

I go back to Asia in 3 weeks for business and to start another (hopefully) baby on the way with our surrogate mother and our embryos.

As with you, anyone who "attacks" my child will get escrima-ed to the floor in no time if I'm near them.


113 posted on 01/04/2006 12:09:35 PM PST by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: pillut48
IVF does NOT equal ABORTION!!!!

But it often results in it. Current IVF often involves fertilization of multiple embryos, one of which is implanted, and the rest of which are stored until a successful implantation is achieved.

At that point, those "extras" are often discarded. That's the abortion.

116 posted on 01/04/2006 12:12:11 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: pillut48

Your little girl is just beautiful.

The human body will occasionally slough off a fertilized egg. God still controls which lives come to term.


134 posted on 01/04/2006 12:42:26 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: pillut48
Wow, first off, you really need to relax and stop misdirecting your anger and quit the self-righteous defensiveness too.

No one to my knowledge here has ever said that a child born of IVF is an abomination, anymore than a child born out of wedlock, to a gay person, through incestous relationships or rape is an abomination.

However, the act of IVF itself is sinful, regardless of the outcome.

I myself am 3 years clear of cancer, and had done some "cryobanking" in case the treatment left me sterile. I've decided to have the specimens destroyed, *without* going through further testing. Why? Because it's not in accordance with God's law, and if I should prove to be sterile? Well, then I guess God had another plan for me, such as adopting unloved and unwanted children with my spouse-to-be.
231 posted on 01/05/2006 5:14:53 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: pillut48
You tell me she's an abomination, and I'll slug you. I mean it.

You're a fool, and honestly should be thrown off the forum. Do you often make threats of violence in response to non-existent accusations?
236 posted on 01/05/2006 5:27:27 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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