WOW! ISN'T THIS DRUG WAR GREAT!

Boortz.com ^ | 11-22-2006 | Neal Boortz

[91B]

That's the most sensible post anyone is likely to see on this, or any other, thread on no-knock raids.

[higgmeister]

Not sure Boortz is making much sense here. On the one hand, the drug war is stupid. But what if druggies dont seek treatment? Force them to get treatment? And how do you do that? Prolly need to use force, right? Like go to their house and arrest them? Same crap, different day. Then at the end, he acknowledges we use drugs in our culture every day. So should we treat alcohol and tobacco like the other drugs? Or treat the other drugs like alcohol and tobacco?

Are you on drugs? How can you consider that we would no longer use the force-of-law to apprehend druggies and then immediately conclude that because of that you would still have to go to their home and apprehend them?

The reason a druggie hides his habits is fear of the police. Without that fear any number of avenues become available to him for intervention and treatment. His employer may detect a problem and make treatment a condition of continued employment. His family, friends or other efforts in the local community will provide help.

If his irresponsible acts while being influenced by drug usage result in crimes, he will still be arrested for the individual crimes and be held responsible, Then one of the conditions of his punishment would certainly be treatment for the drug abuse.

[Lancey Howard]

The story I read last night was that the police were "approaching the house" when the woman shot at them. Somebody is lying.

[JamesP81]

I take it then you're not a paleo-conservative.

I don't really know what constitutes a paleo-conservative. I read the writings of the Founders, and I think they were right. I guess I would call myself an adherent of strict constitutionalism with a dash of libertarianism.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.
"The story indicates this is the correct house."

The story indicates that the cops burst into a house in a bad neigborhood, in the dead of night, that they believed there was some connection to drugs in the house and that a 92 year old woman reacted to them breaking in by opening fire. Oh, yeah, and the woman is dead and the cops are wounded.

I'll bet that cleaned that neigborhood up.

Michael Frazier

[Huck]

His employer may detect a problem and make treatment a condition of continued employment. His family, friends or other efforts in the local community will provide help.

LOL. Cuz junkies first and foremost concern is their job security. Most jobs NOW don't tolerate junkies. That's why junkies do crimes, duh.

If his irresponsible acts while being influenced by drug usage result in crimes, he will still be arrested for the individual crimes and be held responsible, Then one of the conditions of his punishment would certainly be treatment for the drug abuse.

That's my point. Same crap, different day. Forced treatment, forced incarceration. Same difference.

[bassmaner]

Yeah! And you know what, maybe if we gave Muslims all of the funding we're spending to fight terrorism, then maybe Muslims would like us!

Behind door #1, there's a table with an ounce of weed in a baggie laying on it.

Behind door #2, there's a Muslim terrorist with an AK-47 and a bomb belt.

Which door would you feel safer to open?

[karnage]

I hate drugs. My stepbrother died of a heroin overdose. My big problem with the WOD is the erosion of due process. Seizure laws and no-knock warrants seem to violate the 4th Amendment. The gubmint has used the WOD to expand its tyrannical powers. I don't like that.

A 92 year-old lady is dead, 3 cops wounded. Sounds like a screw-up to me.

Also: did they find drugs in the house? Seems like that would be a big part of the story if they had.

[TChris]

Your link leads to the wrong URL (www.nealznuze.com is NOT the same as www.boortz.com

[Thombo2]

Lots of pertinent info missing here.Although i would find it highly unusual for a 92 yr old woman to be selling drugs,i find it incredible that a woman that age could get off(at least)3 shots and hit what she was aiming at(esp under the circumstances).I'm gonna try to find more info,but could you ping me if you hear more about this?Thanx

[BattleBoar]

When drugs are legalized, who is going to sell them, and more importantly, who is going to pay for them? I only ask because I have seen it mentioned on this thread that once legalized, drug dealers would be out of business (although I don't know why, after all, they're not selling a controlled substance anymore), the incentive to import would be gone (okay, are we going to begin growing our own?), and gangs would have the plug pulled on their funding (or they would just steal the now legal narcotics, and sell them at a deep discount on the street).
A nice chunk of the crime related to drugs involves desperate junkies needing their next fix. People who sell everything they own, then resort to theft, prostitution, and whatever else to support their habit. Are these people to receive their drugs for free?

[EEDUDE]

"Availability hasn't seemed to have suffered much either, in this war."


By the DEA's own statements, purity of heroin on the streets is the highest it has ever been, and the cost is at a low point.

Supply and demand at work in the illegal drug market?

[MinstrelBoy]

Sounds like a ptractical solution.

[Gideon Reader]

That is the purest BS and you know it.
If you don't you are simply intentionally unaware or worse.
No Knocks are for the prevention of destruction of evidence and to remove the opportunity of persons with a predilection for violence to access firearms of destroy that evidence.

The rules for execution are available to you. Read them and be aware that ignorance is a danger to us all.

[bird4four4]

The WOD connection is the kick down your door raid that seems to follow it. When have you ever heard of plain clothes officers kicking in a door by suprise visit to investigate a burglary at the wrong address? Happens in the WOD all too often.

[rhombus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservative

[Hemingway's Ghost]

For the longest time, I was against drug decriminilization. I've catigated Libertarians about being obsessed with drug legalization more than once.

Now, I'm no longer sure that legalization is a bad idea. Obviously, laws against driving under the influence and similar laws would remain, but I'm no longer convinced society is well served by imprisoning someone who uses drugs in their own home where they aren't messing with someone else while doing it.

A quality post. We need more people like you to weigh in on the subject.

[Lx]

I support cops 100%.
These cops screwed up. I might have missed it, was it a no knock?

Everyone that knows me knows to call before showing up. If you're at my door and you didn't call; I assume the worse, either you're a salesman (and deserving of death) or a cop. Luckily, I'm not a criminal so if it's a cop, he's there for something minor like selling me police man's ball tickets.

These no knock warrants and plain clothes warrants are deadly and need to be stopped. The WOD is not worth an innocent civilian's or cop's life.

[patton]

You are assuming that the relationship is linear, which is not likely to be true. It never is when discussing the marginal utility of money.

[longtermmemmory]

The article does not indicate if she was or was not a dealer.

ONLY that she was 92.

The article implies there are bars on her windows. Are the bars there to keep other drug dealers out? Did she install them?

Remember dealers use unlikely people (minors, older people) as lookouts.

The article also does not indicate if she lives alone.

too many holes in this story reporting.

need more information.