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The Papacy and Islam
Bearean Beacon ^ | Richard Bennett and Robert J. Nicholson

Posted on 05/10/2007 12:28:17 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: vladimir998
We don't eat it. It's for Molach. Our real worship is down in the basement. The service upstairs is just for show.

Bet you'll never look at nice little old church ladies with their dishes for the "potluck" ::wink wink:: the same again.

81 posted on 05/10/2007 4:43:32 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: dangus

Since I’m not a Calvinist, I have no reason to be touchy about it.


82 posted on 05/10/2007 4:46:38 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: vladimir998
A8: “A deficient *concept* of God does not necessarily entail that the object of that concept [i.e. the being described by the concept] is other than the one true God.”

V998: "It does when laid side-by-side with the correct understanding of God by the Church sent by Him."

If so, then you have just committed yourself to the claim that Jews do not worship the God that Catholics worship. And that commits you either to the claim that the Jews throughout the diaspora switched from worshipping YHWH to worshipping some other being around the time Jesus made the New Covenant, or to the Marcionite heresy. Which is it?

-A8

83 posted on 05/10/2007 7:19:16 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: kawaii; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; Lee N. Field; 1000 silverlings; ...
we should not be confused by protestants claiming to worship the same God. they don't.

LOLOL. Then you must worship some non-Trinitarian God who didn't create heaven and earth and everyone and everything therein for God's glory as He told us in Scripture and which is understood by the work of the Holy Spirit.

That's nothing to brag about, Kawaii.

84 posted on 05/10/2007 7:58:06 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy

Mormons are not Protestants, but like Muslims, were a syncretist cult based on things circulating in their world. It was a largely Protestant world - but tinged with spiritualism, extending to table-rapping and oiuja boards - and filled with different denominations often led by a self-proclaimed prophet, and influenced by the bizarre psuedo-Islam that the Masons and others adopted in their rituals, mostly because they regarded this as conflicting with Catholic practice.

As a syncretist cult dominated by its founder (its “prophet”) and descendants from his family, Islam adopted things common in its world: the Jewish concept of God, combined with Jewish ritual law; various forms of heretical Christian belief about Our Lord; and paganism and tribalism.

Mormonism adopted features of Protestant Christianity, but there is no way that Mormonism as it is currently constructed can be considered either Protestant or Christian, strictly speaking. Presumably at some point, its president will have a dream and drop the more bizarre things, just as Mormons dropped their anti-black laws, but until then, it’s not really a Christian religion.

It has the same relationship to Protestant Christianity as Islam has to the God of Abraham. That is, there’s a vague connection out there and they are superficially the same in some ways. But it’s very superficial, and this could be useful only in the sense that it might give orthodox Christians an “in” and a better chance to talk to the Mormons and help them get in line with orthodox Christianity.


85 posted on 05/10/2007 8:08:28 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
Mormons are not Protestants...

I knew that already, but you'd be surprised how many of your fellow Catholics on FR have tried to tell me otherwise.

86 posted on 05/10/2007 8:33:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (FR Member Alex Murphy: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

protstants worship a God who lies. we don’t.

they worship a God who never sent the Holy Spirit.

that’s something to avoid.


87 posted on 05/10/2007 8:40:54 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Kolokotronis
After some years here on FR, I have often at least wondered if what your priest says isn’t true. I have concluded that in many cases, though by no means all, he may well be correct.

to be fair he qualified it with a lot of 'when they say this about their God, is that really the God we worship, etc...
88 posted on 05/10/2007 8:43:08 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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89 posted on 05/10/2007 8:49:51 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kawaii; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; HarleyD; wmfights; Quix; hosepipe; betty boop
Indeed, we know Whom we believe:

For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.- 2 Timothy 1:12

After all, if you can't trust God, who can you trust?

90 posted on 05/10/2007 9:11:55 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: kawaii
protstants worship a God who lies. we don’t.

That is a lie.

91 posted on 05/10/2007 9:15:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
Actually the word protestants is a lie..
Most.... NoN RCC and EO's are protesting nothing..
92 posted on 05/10/2007 9:30:37 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: dangus; Iscool

Dangus, you are wasting your time. He’s not worth it.


93 posted on 05/10/2007 9:32:21 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: livius

Hannity was defending the Mormons today and said something about “small” differences. Sean is truly a theological dunce. That said, Mormon society is moving toward orthodox Christianity, at least convering with American “gnosticism,” as described by Harold Bloom. Really, ow different is their God from that of the Pentecostals?


94 posted on 05/10/2007 10:02:39 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Pyro7480
Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed,

What? You DON'T say that at least once during your Rosary...I'm shocked. (how does one indicate a strong rolling of the eyes?)

People have got to stop taking The Onion seriously. And people have to stop believing everything they find on the internet! Good grief....let's use our God given intellects!

95 posted on 05/10/2007 10:27:30 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: hosepipe; Dr. Eckleburg
Actually the word protestants is a lie.. Most.... NoN RCC and EO's are protesting nothing..

"Protest" (in the classical sense) means "to promise or affirm with earnest solemnity." The "protest" of the protestants was a positive affirmation and not a negative reaction.

Protestants were those who solemnly affirmed the five solas of the Reformation.

96 posted on 05/10/2007 10:30:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Alex Murphy
This is how the quote is presented in the article :

On an highly emotional spiritual level there has been a great common-ground meeting place between Rome and Mecca in the town of Fatima in Portugal. To quote a Catholic news organization, “Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed On October 23, 1995, Iranian television began running stories that the apparitions in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 were religious phenomena of Muslim origin.”17

This is how the quote appeared in the original article

A Christian knight saved a young girl named Fatma (Fatima) from the dangers of the pitched battle. Later she converted to Christianity and married the knight, only to die shortly afterwards. In grief, the knight became a monk and the town was renamed Fatima in her honor. According to Iranian Television, the woman who appeared to the three shepherd children in 1917 was not the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, but Fatima, the daughter of the prophet Mohammed, founder of Islam. Her message was reported to be "I am Fatima, daughter of the Prophet of Islam."

Seems pretty disingenuous to me.....or a deliberate misrepresentation of the quote. The context is completely misrepresented. If the author is writing in truth, why such deception?

97 posted on 05/10/2007 10:32:32 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: dangus
He is the soft left jab that has set up the right punch that is Pope Benedict.

love it!

98 posted on 05/10/2007 10:36:11 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: Pyro7480

What about the RC Cathecism? It seems to be all kissy with Mecca.


99 posted on 05/10/2007 11:44:56 PM PDT by Gamecock (FR Member Gamecock: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Indeed, we know Whom we believe

Amen.

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" -- Philippians 1:6

100 posted on 05/11/2007 1:22:58 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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