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http://www.freerepublic.com ^ | 11/17/2008 | Me

Posted on 11/17/2008 6:46:59 PM PST by Red in Blue PA

I am currently thinking about getting a Kimber .45 Custom II, but am probably going to put it on hold as I would like a gun for CCW.

I tried my dad's Ruger LCP and it was very nice and light, but I would like greater stopping power with a CCW. So I was thinking about taking the plunge and getting a Kimber Ultra Carry .45. Does anyone here have one? And if so, how accuarate are they? A 3 inch barrel is about the same as the Ruger LCP I think, and I am concerned about its accuracy.

Many TIA

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1 posted on 11/17/2008 6:46:59 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

A LEO friend of mine said that the majority of gunfights happen around 9-12 feet some even closer ... I carry a .32 Beretta Tomcat with Glazer Safeties ....


2 posted on 11/17/2008 6:52:14 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: SkyDancer

If that is the case then the LCP may fit the bill, and save me a boatload of money.


3 posted on 11/17/2008 6:53:05 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: Red in Blue PA
The Ruger LCP is a poor choice as a primary carry pistol. I have one and would only use it in the summer as a pocket gun when I can't conceal anything else. My normal carry gun is a Glock 23. It is a compact .40 pistol that conceals pretty well, is not too expensive and is extremely reliable. Kimber is all right, but I don't like “cocked and locked” type pistols, so I stay away from the 1911s. Best thing to do is go to a range that rents pistols and try them all out and get the one that works best for you.
4 posted on 11/17/2008 6:54:58 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I know this is not relevant to the thread but my grandson turned one Friday.

Part of his gift is a AK 47. He will not gain full possession of it until he is 21, but he shall learn how to use it when he is 10.

Thought if we waited (well, not we, my hubby) it would be outlawed by then.


5 posted on 11/17/2008 6:58:58 PM PST by Shyla
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To: AlaskaErik

A local store (with a poor reputation IMO) had Glocks on sale this past weekend for $499 (approx 5 models). Maybe I should check them out.


6 posted on 11/17/2008 7:00:16 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: Shyla

In the past 4 weeks, I bought:

Ruger P95 9mm
Remington 870
Rossi .223
Henry 22

And now I am lookng for a CCW, though I would really like to get a Kimber Custom II .45.

And I just applied for my CCW. I grew up with guns but am just getting back into them after about 20+ years.


7 posted on 11/17/2008 7:03:01 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: Red in Blue PA

We do have quite a collection. Hubby’s goes back many years.

Sigh, he is not done yet...with the collection : )

It does make sense. Sad but true.


8 posted on 11/17/2008 7:05:13 PM PST by Shyla
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To: Red in Blue PA

I am considering the newish Beretta 9 mm carry or the XD 9 mm or the new Ruger carry 9 mm SR9(?).

Any suggestions?


9 posted on 11/17/2008 7:06:08 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie

I vote XD 9.


10 posted on 11/17/2008 7:07:30 PM PST by bmwcyle (McCain had no honor when he failed to defend Sarah Palin, Leno was no enough)
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To: Red in Blue PA
This is my carry. It's not exactly small, but then neither am I. It works pretty well for me.


11 posted on 11/17/2008 7:12:58 PM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
There's only one piece for CCW, that would be the S&W 642 or 442 revolvers.

Okay, make it two. Check out "The 642 Club at www.thehighroad.org.

12 posted on 11/17/2008 7:13:42 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: Red in Blue PA
Love Kimbers. Beautifully made, reliable, pack a punch. The model you're asking about is more than sufficiently accurate for CCW - my personal definition of which is A-zone hits at 25 meters, which is quite outside the normal range of an urban social affair. BUT

You will need to maintain it. Ultra-compact .45s can be touchy with respect to recoil springs - change yours annually. And make sure you check for potential feed problems with the same self-defense ammunition you plan on carrying. It's an expensive way to practice but what's your life worth?

There are other alternatives that are worth considering, depending on how you usually dress when you carry and what you're used to in terms of training. In the wintertime I've carried a full-frame gummint model .45 (yes, a Kimber) with no fuss and I'm a little guy. In the summer, though, I'll opt for a .40 S&W Glock, a 9mm Kahr, or a .38 spl snubbie because there just isn't room for the bigger platform. Your mileage will certainly vary! With decent shot placement at social distances they'll all do just fine.

Oh, and budget for some decent leather. It makes ALL the difference in CCW.

13 posted on 11/17/2008 7:14:36 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Red in Blue PA

My advice will depend on how/where you plan to conceal it.


14 posted on 11/17/2008 7:16:33 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Doohickey

How big are you? I am relatively tall but was concerned that the P95 would be too large. But your carry looks to be larger than my P95.


15 posted on 11/17/2008 7:16:57 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: Billthedrill

Thanks for the post. Kimbers, from all I have read, have excellent reputations.

I have shot my dad’s Custom II and it is very nice, though I am not nearly as accurate as he is;-)


16 posted on 11/17/2008 7:18:51 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: Frantzie

XD


17 posted on 11/17/2008 7:19:01 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I've had the Kimber Ultra Carry II for over a year now with over 800 rounds through it.
It's extremely accurate and very light weight. I've tried many other .45s and found
this one to be just right for myself. With the right holster it's
invisible even with your shirt tucked in.

Go check it out.

18 posted on 11/17/2008 7:20:28 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: OKSooner

I got a 442 and you forget its there.


19 posted on 11/17/2008 7:20:36 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Red in Blue PA
A concealed carry gun doesn't do you any good if you aren't carrying it. IMHO nothing is easier than a small, light snubby revolver that you can slip into your pant's pocket even on hot days.

Smith and Wesson Model 340PD Revolver 357 Magnum

"Smith & Wesson combined a Scandium alloy frame with a Titanium cylinder to build the strongest and lightest weight .357 Magnum revolver made. The result...maximum power in a small, lightweight, easy-to-carry package. Scandium alloy is used for small, medium and large frame revolvers. Smith & Wesson's lightest and strongest revolvers deliver dependable power every time."

20 posted on 11/17/2008 7:21:50 PM PST by Hugin (GSA! (Goodbye sweet America))
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To: MaxMax

I think I may have to check out Kimbers this weekend. I would like to save money if possible, bu tthen again, is your life worth saving a few hundred bucks?


21 posted on 11/17/2008 7:21:58 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: mylife

Thanks.


22 posted on 11/17/2008 7:22:00 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’m 6’, 215. I don’t know the dimensions of a P95, but the P345 is 7 5/8 L x 5 1/2 H x 1 1/8 W (approximate). It’s among the smallest Ruger P-series chambered for .45 ACP.


23 posted on 11/17/2008 7:23:03 PM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: Doohickey

What Ruger model is that? I have P85 - very reliable guns


24 posted on 11/17/2008 7:24:00 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Doohickey

I believe the barrel of your gun is .3 inches longer than the P95.


25 posted on 11/17/2008 7:24:10 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: Doohickey

The P95 is a bit big for a carry. Good gun but big. The new Ruger RS9(?) is nice and smallish.


26 posted on 11/17/2008 7:26:15 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Red in Blue PA

Barrel length is just a hair over 4”.


27 posted on 11/17/2008 7:29:32 PM PST by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Here mine.... Beretta 85 Cheetah .380. Got my CHL about 2 weeks ago in Texas.
28 posted on 11/17/2008 7:35:43 PM PST by RonboTex (Go ahead... Make my day.)
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GREAT weapon!


29 posted on 11/17/2008 7:36:02 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Kahr Arms P40. Carried it when I lived in Seattle. Now in a May Issue (in a million years!) state, so only use it for target practice now. :(


30 posted on 11/17/2008 7:36:53 PM PST by Clemenza (Red is the Color of Virility, Blue is the Color of Impotence)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I have both a Glock 23 (compact .40 S&W) and a Kimber Pro Carry Ten II (.45). Both are pretty light, but difficult to conceal in the warmer weather.

I am ‘better’ with the Kimber though I haven’t had it nearly as long as the Glock. I suspect that the Single-Action trigger is just more comfortable for me than the Glock’s DAO trigger. Then again, I always did well qualifying with the old 1911. It just ‘feels’ right.


31 posted on 11/17/2008 7:40:53 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: OKSooner
I have one of the new 642s without the internal lock.

I just added a set of Crimson Trace grips to it.

I post at THR. I'll have to take a look at the 642 club thread.

32 posted on 11/17/2008 7:46:37 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I carry a Kimber Ultraraptor II. I carry it in the waist band behind the right hip with a 511 Tactical shirt open over a regular shirt. It works fine for me.......... Also use 185 grain + p hollow points in the pipe for that little extra zip to make up for the 3 inch barrel. hydroshocks are ok also....


33 posted on 11/17/2008 7:52:14 PM PST by contrarian (with God in control....Obama can only do what God allows)
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To: Red in Blue PA

My first carry gun was a .44 special, Charter Arms Bulldog
My second was a Ruger P345 .45
Now I’m carrying a Glock 30 .45
I never leave home without it. It never stays on the nightstand while I am out of the house.


34 posted on 11/17/2008 8:12:15 PM PST by trussell (I carry because...When seconds count between life and death, the police are only minutes away)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Kimber Ultra Carry .45.”

We have several. Love them! In fact, my full size 1911, A Kimber TLE/RL II, feels heavy and awkward compared to the Ultra Carry. I use a Galco SkyOps holster when wearing shorts and jeans but use the Galco Miami Classic, a shoulder holster, for jackets when flying or just out shopping in the winter. The Ultra Carry shoots accurate and reliably. We both have them and can group small shots of 3” at 25 feet without any problems. They are extremely well balanced. I favor it over the full size.


35 posted on 11/17/2008 8:16:29 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: SkyDancer

“A LEO friend of mine said that the majority of gunfights happen around 9-12 feet some even closer”

That’s a good point. What most people fail to understand is that in most cases it is better to get off the x than to engage in a gunfight. If you are far enough away from the other shooter it might be best to get cover or run away. It’s situational of course, but if you are engaged in a gunfight at 40 feet you shouldn’t be in a gunfight.


36 posted on 11/17/2008 8:16:32 PM PST by yazoo
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To: contrarian

“185 grain + p hollow points “

I like the 185gr Speer Gold Dots for the same reason. Excellent round that has that little extra velocity for shooting from the shorter barrel.


37 posted on 11/17/2008 8:18:50 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: trussell
My first carry gun was a .44 special, Charter Arms Bulldog

An excellent choice. It's roughly the same as a 1911 yet about half the weight. And it packs almost the same ballistic punch as the .45 cartridge.

Lately I've been using a little Sig 230 in .380. It lacks the punch of a full 9mm, but the recoil is so light I can put 3 rounds in the head of a silhouette target at 8 feet one handed.

In my State CC is completely illegal, so one has to 'improvise'.

L

38 posted on 11/17/2008 8:19:00 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

As big as you can carry, as small as you can hide (Kimber Ultra Carry CDP).


39 posted on 11/17/2008 8:19:19 PM PST by conservativeharleyguy (If dissent is "patriotic", I just became America's loudest Patriot!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The Kel-Tec PF9. Tiny, easy to carry (even in a pocket holster), and 7 shots in a magazine. Usually can be found for $275-$300 brand new, and quite reliable (I've got ~2500 rounds through mine without a hiccup).

The PF9 and two extra magazines gives you quite a bit of firepower in a VERY compact, easily concealed setup.

40 posted on 11/17/2008 8:22:12 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Red in Blue PA
P.S. For style, and style only over the standard Ultra Carry, Kimber makes various models with a little extra style, like the wife's Raptor:

It costs $200 over the Ultra Carry but she really liked the styling and if that what it took to get her into 1911s, so be it. She also finds shooting it to be "fun".

41 posted on 11/17/2008 8:22:44 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Lurker
why head and not center mass? my unsolicited advice is to practice on center mass. during a gun fight you want to train yourself to aim for the biggest part of the body so you have the highest chance of hitting SOMETHING.

but i am sure you know all this.

42 posted on 11/17/2008 8:25:40 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Red in Blue PA

the LCP using hollow point ammo can have the same impact as a 45 cal on the body. It is legal here in Arizona and it ensures that the round does not go through and hit someone else. Hollow points can and do one hell of a lot of damage to the flesh.


43 posted on 11/17/2008 8:27:15 PM PST by spookie (SPOOKIE)
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To: CodeToad

I love my “raptor”, and, btw my back up back up is a glock 27.....


44 posted on 11/17/2008 8:30:41 PM PST by contrarian (with God in control....Obama can only do what God allows)
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To: Red in Blue PA

TAURUS 745SS 45ACP MILLENNIUM PRO COMPACT BLUE 7RD $365.99

new Millennium PRO compact polymer frame pistol is the 3rd generation of the Taurus series. Offering improved ergonomics and performance, the new design features enhanced finger indexing Memory Pads, Posi-Traction slide serrations and recessed magazine release, all weighing in at a mere 23.5 ounces. Ten rounds in the magazine, one in the chamber, and the lightweight frame makes this lifesaver a must for law enforcement and anyone concerned about personal safety. The double action Taurus Millennium PRO is available with either a Blue or Stainless Steel slide. The Millennium PRO carries three safety features including the manual safety lever, trigger block mechanism and a firing pin block. The Taurus Security System is included at no extra charge for that added peace of mind.

45 posted on 11/17/2008 8:31:36 PM PST by Gone_Postal (We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat)
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To: thefactor

Two to the center and one to the head,THEN check the target for response......


46 posted on 11/17/2008 8:31:48 PM PST by contrarian (with God in control....Obama can only do what God allows)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Any weapon you buy won’t be of much use if you are not comfortable with it. An effectively used .22 can be far more practical and effective than a .44 AutoMag, depending on the person.

There is a long list of things to consider when trying to find what is the right pistol for you. Here are some I think are important.

1) A gun does not make you a superman, it does not guarantee that you will “win” or gives you “control” over all situations, and if you think it is anything more special than any other tool, it may actually be a problem for you when you might need it. The situation is always bigger than the tool.

2) A gun is not appropriate for all situations, and if it isn’t, it fills up a hand that you might need for something else. This is why police really like Tasers, because they can be used in the huge gray area between doing nothing and shooting someone.

3) A “one shot quick kill” is the exception, not the rule. Do not think of firing a bullet as ending a situation, but beginning a situation. You can miss, or just graze them. They might advance on you if hit, or retreat. Trying to get away, they might go into another room deeper in your home, or dash outside. They might be clear headed or drunk or drugged up or insane. If they are armed, they might shoot back or throw things. As soon as they see you, they might put their hands up.

So you have to be mentally prepared for just about anything. Often, anything that does not involve shooting or shooting any more.

4) For heaven’s sake, identify your target. This may not be easy, as it may be dark and you don’t have your night vision. You may be sluggish from sleep or drink, yourself.

5) Make sure your safety is off or on, as is appropriate.


47 posted on 11/17/2008 8:33:17 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: thefactor
why head and not center mass?

I've been working on the second half of 'two center mass, one to the head' of late.

L

48 posted on 11/17/2008 8:37:00 PM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker

Phoenix Arms HP22LR. True pocket gun so small you can also carry an extra mag along. Head shot or bladderregion, no recoil so you can zip thrre quick on target and observe results. I carry nine plus one though mag will hold ten (I don’t like to leave the mag spring completely compressed all the time and alternate mags when I think about it. Has available 5 inch barrel but carry with a 3 inch, stainless. ~$180 in kit with two mags and two barrels. Fits in a pants pocket ready to roll if needed, invisible to lookers. I’ve put three thousand rounds through the first barrel (now on second barrel) with the only failure being ammunition flaws. Clean after 20 to 30 rounds through it and it will function flawlessly with Remington JHP LRs.


49 posted on 11/17/2008 8:38:11 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

http://stevespages.com/page8f45acp.html To help you with bullet selection....posted to all on the thread


50 posted on 11/17/2008 8:38:33 PM PST by contrarian (with God in control....Obama can only do what God allows)
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