Skip to comments.What Good Can a Handgun Do Against an Army.....?
Posted on 08/10/2009 3:48:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Why do you think they have been trying to socially reform the military with gays in the military and women in combat? They know that if it comes to the thin red line between soldiers defending liberty and the constitution and killing and imprisoning fellow citizens the soldiers will stand with the citizen.
This story pops up from time to time, always a nice refreshing read.
We all STILL have too much to lose.When it comes to nothing to lose then its on like donkey kong.Just remember the french resistance and also what the soviets had to contend with.
Homosexuals have been in every military since we lived in caves. I knew several during my time in the service, both male and (many more) female. None of the services train females for combat to the degree they do males, and I don’t see that changing in the near future. Remember the young female soldier that was taken captive early in the Iraq war? She couldn’t remember how to operate her M-16 rifle during the firefight. We had plans to evacuate our female soldiers from Korea in case of attack, which would have, of course, left us short-handed in an emergency. If they think that plan is working, they’d best re-think it.
A ragtag bunch of yahoos in Iraq sure did give our military an awful lot of trouble. Of course, they wouldn’t be as nice to us, but I’m sure we could cause them some pain.
But the military would be on our side. It’s Obama’s ‘civilian military force’ that we’d have to contend with.
LMAO every time I see that myth posted.
Resistance, yeah sure, that explains that whole Petain Vichy thing when French Police and militia's rounded up Jews for their German overlords.
And more than half of air dropped supplies ended up in the hands of the communist tireurs who were turning in right wing resistance groups when they weren't murdering them outright.
The whores of Place Pigalle showed more resistance then the average frenchie
That was a great movie!
And anyone who has seen it understands how to fight against a modern army.
You have to bide your time and pick your battles.
I enjoyed reading that, thank you! In a deteriorated situation, things break down into predators, prey and warriors. A warrior is someone who will not let themselves or those they protect be the victims. A warrior arms themselves with faith, intelligence, character and the biggest honking weapon they can snag.
The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto held off the the entire mechanized Nazi machine for two weeks with paultry numbers of handguns, molotov cocktails, and whatever they could scrape together.
There are approximately 836,000 law enforcement officers in the United States (Dept. of Justice). There are approximately 1.4 million active duty military personnel. The FBI estimates the number of privately-held firearms in the United States at 200 million. That's why "your gun versus an army" is not a particularly plausible case.
I’ve heard that it was amazing how the ranks of the Resistance swelled, after the war was over.
I bet if it ever comes to the Army against private (conservative) citizens, all the rules & squeemishness regarding collateral damage will go out the window.
I don’t think that is an argument. Who knows about what was going on in caves. :-) It is one thing to know homosexuals it is another to allow the celebration of the lifestyle in the military. I know of several cases of male rape have occurred and gay activism is incompatible with the military. Also homosexuality is a disease ridden lifestyle and open homosexuality is a distraction from the goals of the military.
I do believe my basic assertion is true. The left has been trying to soften the military through forced social programs and they do want to re-educate our soldiers not just on the two issues I mentioned buy down the line.
They have been brainwashing the public for decades the military is the one place they have yet to conquer.
Huh? I think you just made this gentleman’s case, or did I misunderstand you?
When misfortune begins to befall the Praetorian Guards, eventually the emperor finds himself alone.
Indeed...made one wonder what that D-day fuss was all about.
Typical Parisian resistance cell. code name "Lucky Pierre"
The Left has controlled the schools (at all levels) since at least the 1960’s. Almost everyone that goes into the military comes out of the public school system. I graduated high school in 1978, so I wasn’t nearly as indoctrinated as the kids today, although I saw signs of it in the 70’s, with the “stop pollution” and “save the whales” jazz.
What will happen is a slow incrementalism intended to leach the firearms out of the most armed citizenry anywhere. It is happening: environmental restrictions against lead ammunition, zoning regulations intended to make possession of firearms in urban and suburban areas impossible, attempts to stretch terrorism laws to cover domestic disarmament. That's what we have to watch for, IMHO.
ACORN (and the like) is the 5th column.
The czars make up the Star Chamber.
Yeah but it has gotten worse. I went to public school. I remember getting the little environmental tracks. They weren’t requiring us to sign gay pledge cards like in some public schools and having boys dressing as girls at the prom. The world operates just fine without such activism and there is no need for it.
I did go through a short period where I was somewhat a socialist. It sounded like a nice idea if everyone had the same basic house and the same basic things and then I realized that such a quaint idea would soon become a requirement that no one have anything but the basics and that didn’t sound like a very good place to live unless one thought of themselves as worthless with no hope for any better.
That said it appears to me that the military has had to undo a lot of the public school ego-gratification crap.
The gun will do whatever it can do. Look at the situation that recently occurred in India in which unarmed people were tortured and murdered by stinking muslim pigs. Had I been there, I would have fired every round I have into those rotten bastards. Every round except the last one, because if I cannot take out all of my enemies, then I will take out myself instead. I will not be taken, I will not be imprisoned, nor tortured, nor executed.
My gun puts me in charge of my fate. Obviously, I do not ever want to have to face this situation, but should it arise, I have control. I will never beg upon my knees for mercy from a tyrant.
It sounds like one-hundred to one odds if each weapon had a citizen to handle it. I bet that's better than the odds of slipping on ice. It may not be possible to know how many patrolmen or troopers, if asked to take up arms against their brothers and neighbors, would ditch the powers that be and join the citizenship patrols, but it is not as if there is not a precedence.
I’m not going to hammer the French too hard, they *did* have people who risked- and suffered- much under the German occupation. Of that, there is no doubt in my mind.
I’ve heard though that after the war, half the Frenchmen you’d meet in a pub somewhere were garroting German sentries on a nightly basis- if you can believe what they say. :-)
First thoughts when I saw this ping was the liberator pistol of WWII
Second thought was all hardened weapons platforms have soft pink centers.
Third thought was the 90 pound PC hired LEO SWAT split tail down the street from me has all I need when I want to take it.
Last but not least uncle sugar taught me skills that do not require firearms. Even a bunny wabbit will bite if cornered an no way out.
The problem with France and the French, and I speak the language and have been to school there, is that the best of them got killed in WW1, and WW2. The ones that were left to breed included some beautiful women, but the men, well, they’re short on some qualities.
I felt better after that phone call.
“Why do you think they have been trying to socially reform the military with gays in the military and women in combat? They know that if it comes to the thin red line between soldiers defending liberty and the constitution and killing and imprisoning fellow citizens the soldiers will stand with the citizen.”
There is no reason to believe that Gay people and women wouldn’t defend the Constitution. I would be more worried about the legions of gang-bangers and foreign nationals who are serving.
I once argued with a friend about the military takeover of America. I pointed out to him that as a percentage of population the Police and military are small. A certain percent of them wouldn’t go along with the scheme anyway. Add that to the millions of firearms and the rather large population of ex-military who are staunch defenders of the Republic in this country and you have a recipe for defeat.
They could control the urban areas but the more forceful and arrogant they become the greater the level of resistance they would engender which would lead to their ultimate downfall. The revenge a betrayed populace would exact would be horrific.
They will probably engineer a medical emergency instead.
I studied French for three years in High School and in College, and didn’t have a lot of opportunities to use it. That was many years ago.
Now I deal with French speakers frequently, and can only remember the odd phrase here and there.
With a handgun against an Army you can die like a man, with a vigorous second amendment and a citizenry armed as the founders intended you can live like a man.
Mentally ready for the test later.
In another posting of this piece it is prefaced by a quote from Federalist 28 which is quite appropriate:
"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense, which is paramount to all positive forms of government; and which, against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success, than against those of the rulers of an individual state. ... Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpations of the state governments; and those will have the same disposition toward the general government. The people, by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress. ...
"It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system that the state governments will in all possible contingencies afford complete security against invasions of the public liberty by the national authority."
It took them generations to lull the sheep into accepting them as rulers instead of elected representatives.
It only took a few generations of “free” government K-12 indoctrination. The very act of stepping their first foot into kindergarten teaches children that it is OK for the government to take from their neighbor to provide something their parents want for them.
The other angle why the civilian populace in the US would not have to deal with tanks, A-10’s and the like is this:
As every combat vet can attest, war, even “limited” war, makes a mess of things. War doesn’t just kill people, it radically undercuts real estate valuations.... in a hurry.
If the motto of real estate agents is “location, location, location!” then the contra-positive to this is “don’t own any property where some young soldier or Marine lights off a 120mm smooth bore...”
Well, what happens when people do own property in the proximity of the military doing military-like stuff? Economic activity stops. Folks quit shopping, they sure as heck don’t take tourism side-trips to see the Abrams tear up the streets, folks pack up and leave Dodge... etc.
No economic activity, no tax revenue. No tax revenue... and the government soon has a problem funding government operations... like the military.
So the military would likely not be able to use all their big toys. They’d be down to boots in the street, much as the Brits were in North Ireland. And we all know how successful the Brits were at pacifying North Ireland, don’t we?
But if the fools try something like that, I predict there will be more dead government thugs than civilians.
At the end of “Red Dawn” didn’t the Wolverines lose? I only remember them getting shot by the helicopters.
They simply don’t belong in the military. People who need their personal sexual lifestyle to be gratified publicly regardless of what type of sexual peculiar lifestyle they lead suggests they are unfit. It isn’t about whether they can serve admirably. That wasn’t my point, my point is that gay activism is just a way to mold the military and intimidate and soften it. Gays who keep their private lives private are not as much an issue to me. It is the leftist social activism and the false idea that homosexuality is normal. Very many cases of gay rape occur in the military but go unreported. Just as occurs in the public space.
Open homosexuality should not be endorsed or accepted in the military one because it is a behavior that is even more disease ridden than typical promiscuous behavior. Also members of the same sex living in close quarters should not be threatened with same sex attentions is what open homosexuality means in the military. A friend of mine related a story where he came upon an officer raping a subordinate male. Gay males are sexually aggressive and allowing them to openly serve will only increase this and increase the exposure to health risks associated with such populations.
They have a great tendency to take advantage of their positions to abuse others. This is far greater than the norm. We’ve seen this in the priesthood, we’ve seen this in teachers, we’ve seen this in police officers, and foster parents. Certainly heterosexuals do molest but homosexuals make heterosexuals look like pikers. Part of this is because so many of them have been molested themselves. Even Rock Hudson was abused when he was 9 and if you don’t find this you will find far too often that a older male has groomed an underling. This is not something we need in the military. They have enough crap and clap already.
If the us gov’t, military or law enforcement turn against the people the most effective weapons would be explosives, not firearms.
The ragheads in Iraq know this and are using them to great success.
If it gets to the point we have nothing to lose, it could very well be too late. Churchill has a quote regarding such a circumstance.
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