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Schwarzenegger Urges Residents in Path of Flames to Flee as Fire Roars in Three Directions
Los Angeles Times ^ | August 30, 2009 | 11:21 am

Posted on 08/30/2009 1:48:13 PM PDT by kellynla

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger today urged residents in fire evacuation zones to flee as firefighters predicted another difficult day battling a wildfire that has burned 35,000 acres and threatened more than 12,000 homes from Acton to Altadena.

Schwarzenegger noted at a morning press conference that three residents in Big Tujunga Canyon suffered serious burns trying in vain to save their homes Saturday.

"There will be people who don't listen," the governor said at the fire command post in Lake View Terrace. ". . . Move as soon as [firefighters] say to move."

Although thousands of homes are covered in the evacuation orders, many residents have stayed behind, with some vowing to fight to protect their homes from the Station fire.

The fire line now extends about 19 miles east to west. The governor and other elected officials praised firefighters for successfully protecting subdivisions in the foothills.

With temperatures expected to reach the mid- to high 90s today in the fire areas, officials said they were anticipating extreme fire conditions, mirroring Saturday’s, when flames leapt as high as 80 feet and spread at a rate of about 2.5 miles an hour.

More than 2,000 fire personnel now are deployed fighting the Station fire.

In the Acton area, mandatory evacuations have been ordered along the 14 Freeway from Soledad Canyon Road to Crown Valley Road and along Aliso Canyon Road from Soledad Canyon Road to Angeles Forest Highway.

The California Highway Patrol has also closed the onramps and offramps to the 14 Freeway at Soledad Canyon Road, Agua Dulce, Escondido Canyon Road, Red Rover Mine Road and Crown Valley Road. They said they were concerned that fire behavior in the area could become extreme as they were expecting the wind to shift about 10 a.m.

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1 posted on 08/30/2009 1:48:14 PM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

Yikes.


2 posted on 08/30/2009 1:49:13 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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Los Angeles area fire map: La Cañada Flintridge, Altadena, Glendale, La Crescenta, Pasadena, Acton
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-la-fire-map-html,0,7464337.htmlstory


3 posted on 08/30/2009 1:52:06 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

—relax, folks—Gaia is just getting it prepared for mudslides when the rains come-—


4 posted on 08/30/2009 1:53:23 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: kellynla

Arnold’s “Go green!” attitude comes in reality to mean “Burn baby burn!”, for the “environmental” forest management policies leave humans exposed to more risk of harm. Humans first, Arnold.


5 posted on 08/30/2009 1:55:07 PM PDT by bvw
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To: rellimpank

Save us your lame jokes...
There is nothing funny about what is happening.

Thousands of Firefighters are putting their lives on the line trying to save tens of thousands of homes.


6 posted on 08/30/2009 1:56:04 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Here we go again.

Fire scorching homes built where they never should have been built in the first place. The CA ecosystem has been based on periodic brush clearing by fire for thousands of years. Man has interrupted that cycle, and now they are paying for it. I read that there had not been a fire in this area for nearly 50 years and that the underbrush had not been cleared in that time.

If you want to avoid this in the future, they need to implement strict building codes:

Brush clearing — nobody should be allowed to let their property be overgrown.

Fire retardent roofs — cement tile, metal, etc. Rigorously enforce this. Remove all wood shingle roofs.

Build multiple access roads — more than one way out of all areas.

Reduce crowding — tear down buildings too close to their neighbors’. Increase lot sizes.

Fire breaks between subdivisions must be kept cleared — open space with no vegetation.

Reservoirs for water storage.

I know that sounds harsh, and implementation will mean that many people currently living in these areas will have to move; but it must be done, or we will see this pattern repeated.

In the mean time, I feel terrible for those who are losing their houses, pets, and perhaps their lives.


7 posted on 08/30/2009 2:05:22 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: kellynla
Fire Roars in Three Directions

Up, down...and sideways.

8 posted on 08/30/2009 2:08:09 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

So you’re going to let the government dictate what everyone can do with their property? How about letting them just take their chances, they know where they are building, if their houses burn down, tuff.


9 posted on 08/30/2009 2:09:52 PM PDT by AUH2O Repub (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: kellynla

Hm... I seem to remember something from some text... something about a promise of “The fire next time.”


10 posted on 08/30/2009 2:13:43 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rellimpank

“.....we got riots, fires, and mudslides. We got sushi in the mall!....”


11 posted on 08/30/2009 2:16:09 PM PDT by sheana
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To: kellynla
--for nearly sixty years, starting out when listening to the barn radio in the late 'forties (1940's for those from Rio Linda, not 1840), I have been hearing tales of California brush fires and mudslides--

-- when you Commiefornians get smart enough to not build homes on unstable material, and to elect politicians who will allow you to clear brush from near your expensive homes, I won't be able to make jokes about it---

12 posted on 08/30/2009 2:23:28 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: AUH2O Repub

well you almost have it right. there will be the inevitable bailout coming.


14 posted on 08/30/2009 2:25:07 PM PDT by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: kellynla

—thanks—have fun in anger management class—


16 posted on 08/30/2009 2:30:14 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: wiggen

Re: “Schwarzenegger Urges Illegals to get in Path of Flames as Fire Roars in Three Directions.
well,i can hope,can’t i?”

*********

Yes, you can always have hope, but most illegals would not be affected by these fires unless someone burns down the L.A. basin itself and San Fernando Valley ‘floor’ where there is rarely anything more than a one-house fire. The big wildfires are always in the hilly areas where generally most residents are not illegals.


17 posted on 08/30/2009 2:30:24 PM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: kellynla

Get your wallets out, folks!


18 posted on 08/30/2009 2:31:04 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

oh, and you don’t EVER have any natural disaster in Wisconsin now do ya.............

shezzzzzzzzzzzzz... WI geniuses... try MYOB...


19 posted on 08/30/2009 2:33:44 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: bgill

Yea, well I’ve had my wallet out since your boy became POTUS.


21 posted on 08/30/2009 2:38:10 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: bvw

No forest management would have made a difference in these fires.


22 posted on 08/30/2009 2:39:06 PM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: kellynla

Ain’t my boy.


23 posted on 08/30/2009 2:39:15 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; rellimpank; wiggen; kellynla

Afraidfortherepublic, you do know that current California law DOESN’T ALLOW people to clear their property, right?

Aside from that, I’m really disgusted with everybody on this thread who is cheering on the loss of homes and lives in this fire. Yes, things could be changed; but how would you feel if everything you had was going up in flames and people from across the country were cheering? Or if you were a firefighter engulfed in flames and you knew everybody thought this agony was something you deserved for living in California?

And as for illegals, wiggen, I hope when we all have to flee to Costa Rica after Obama cracks down on us, that you will relish our death by fire as much as you are wishing it on others.

Get a grip, folks


24 posted on 08/30/2009 2:39:51 PM PDT by livius
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To: bgill

George Bush didn’t come from TX


25 posted on 08/30/2009 2:44:19 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: livius

the only part of me fleeing to Costa Rica will be my corpse.


26 posted on 08/30/2009 2:44:34 PM PDT by wiggen (Never in the history of our great country have the people had less representation than they do today)
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To: kellynla

I’m with you.

It is odd how people laugh at the misfortunes of others. Reminds me of an older time, before the advent of Christ, before man “evolved.” As the Roman poet Lucretius said:

“Pleasant it is, when over a great sea the winds trouble the waters, to gaze from shore upon another’s great tribulation.”

I thought we were better than that now.

Then again, we did elect Obama, so...


27 posted on 08/30/2009 2:47:24 PM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: livius
“I’m really disgusted with everybody on this thread who is cheering on the loss of homes and lives in this fire.”

Just goes to show their “don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.”

28 posted on 08/30/2009 2:48:38 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: karnage

Will the media blame Obama for this, just like they blamed Bush for Katrina?


29 posted on 08/30/2009 2:48:48 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kellynla

All of you who are anywhere near this monster:

Be careful and stay safe. You are in our thoughts and prayers.


30 posted on 08/30/2009 2:49:03 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Hey, Mr. Obama, please don't kill my gramma! NO on socialist healthcare!)
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To: karnage

“we did elect Obama?”

“we?”

I didn’t.


31 posted on 08/30/2009 2:49:42 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: wiggen

Will they want your corpse there?


32 posted on 08/30/2009 2:50:06 PM PDT by livius
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

Thank you.


33 posted on 08/30/2009 2:51:07 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: AUH2O Repub
So you’re going to let the government dictate what everyone can do with their property?

I know it sounds tough, but you have to understand the CA ecosystem. Building in those canyons and failing to clear the underbrush is a recipe for disaster. Probably all the residents should be bought out and the entire area be declared State Forest. Building in the canyons (with shoddy construction in some cases) is akin to building on the beach at low tide and then complaining when the waves come flooding back and knock your house off it's foundation! When its acreas and acres of forest that burns, you just let it go and it finally burns itself out. No lives and dwellings are lost.

When lives and real property get involved, of course people demand that other people put their lives in danger to "save" them and their property. Why should we risk our lives and our fortunes to save people who built where they don't belong?

How many fire fighters will be lost in this fire, or have their health severely damaged? How many tax dollars will be spent? I know that sounds harsh, but if you understond California's ecohistory, you'd understand that building in those canyons is similar to building on the slopes of a volcano and then asking to be saved when it erupts.

It's an uncomfortable choice, but possible one that has to be made. Years ago, the only people who lived in those canyons were hermits, gold miners, or seasonal vacationers, etc. Now, there are thousands of homes which makes it a tinder box. Nobody wants to clear their brush because it's "charming".

Well, don't ask my husband or son to risk their lives rescuing you. And don't ask me to pay for fire fighters and their equipment to put out a fire that may have been started by your B-B-Q grill!. And if your ill placed house feeds a fire that threatens my house in town and damages my lungs because your fire has polluted the air I breathe, I'm not going to be very happy.

Please, all California residents, forgive me for speaking the truth. I'm a native of your state, the descendent of pioneers of your state, and it saddens my heart to see what greed, overpopulation, and overbuilding has done to the once-beautiful state of my youth every time I return on family business.

34 posted on 08/30/2009 2:51:35 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: livius

I live in California-Tuolumne county. We have to clear our property, and the fire department patrols and checks. I live in the mountains.


35 posted on 08/30/2009 2:51:44 PM PDT by sissyjane
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To: kellynla
It might help if he came out and worked on the evacuations himself:

“Come with me if you want to live.”

36 posted on 08/30/2009 2:52:58 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: karnage; kellynla
Reminds me of an older time, before the advent of Christ, before man “evolved.”

I don't know what brings this out in people. It's ugly, but it seems to be part of human nature. I hope that none of the people saying those ugly things consider themselves Christian, because I really can't imagine those remarks coming from the mouth of a Christian.

37 posted on 08/30/2009 2:53:00 PM PDT by livius
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Then stay away.


38 posted on 08/30/2009 2:53:49 PM PDT by sissyjane
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
Be careful and stay safe. You are in our thoughts and prayers.

I second this. Amen.

39 posted on 08/30/2009 2:54:09 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

so basically you’re saying it really is because they have disobeyed Mother Gaia.


40 posted on 08/30/2009 2:58:54 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama acted stupidly...and that's after knowing all the facts.)
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To: karnage
Why is that?

I'm a logical man, I know humans can protect their property from most ravages of nature, if allowed to.

Here's one example of tying Humanity to the burning pole:

Taking advantage of a provision allowing states to make recommendations regarding the managment of their national forests, on July 12, 2006 Gov. Schwarzenegger petitioned the federal government to protect 100 percent of California’s roadless forests. http://www.environmentcalifornia.org/wild-forests

41 posted on 08/30/2009 3:06:13 PM PDT by bvw
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Men can build anywhere. We are men, not animals.


42 posted on 08/30/2009 3:07:46 PM PDT by bvw
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To: livius
Of course, the clowns who are criticizing Californians for not cutting back the forests obviously don't know that the fires are in Angeles NATIONAL Forest...hint NATIONAL which means they are FEDERAL LANDS protected by FEDERAL LAWS...FR geniuses...
43 posted on 08/30/2009 3:09:50 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"of course people demand that other people put their lives in danger to "save" them and their property."

no, actually those that live in the Canyons and dangerous fire areas are not allowed to clear brush around there house.

It has gotten so extreme one freeper was on here during the lake arrowhead fire a few years ago explaining how he had a DEAD pine tree near his drive way not far from his house on his own property and he could not take it down without permits. in order to get a permit a ranger (or some bureaucrat) had to inspect the tree which can take up to 4 years.

44 posted on 08/30/2009 3:12:05 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: kellynla
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45 posted on 08/30/2009 3:15:36 PM PDT by Delta 21 (If you cant tell if I'm being sarcastic...maybe I'm not.)
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To: kellynla; All

Didn’t we just get this story last year or was it earlier this year. Honestly I’m sick of hearing about California Fires. It’s not a news story anymore. It would be a story if we didn’t have fires. Most but not all of these destructive fires are as a result of stupidity. That’s the stupidity of poor forest management, poor planning, environmentalist run amok etc.


46 posted on 08/30/2009 3:15:51 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
I have my sister-in-laws and their kids at my house right now avoiding mainly the smoke from this fire. They are just out side the fire line, almost on the line.
Friends inside the fire line areas we know. We have not heard from them and can not get in touch with them.
I am sure they are ok just a bit rattled I am sure.
47 posted on 08/30/2009 3:19:23 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

That’s amazing to me. I live in the mountains in northern California. If we don’t clear our brush etc. we get a ticket, or have it cleared for us and then have to pay for it. The fire departments patrol in the spring and early summer.


48 posted on 08/30/2009 3:21:28 PM PDT by sissyjane
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To: sissyjane

yes that is how it should be. but it isn’t around here.


49 posted on 08/30/2009 3:25:26 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Post #7 well said.


50 posted on 08/30/2009 3:27:22 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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