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What are your thoughts on 2012 candidates? I am sharing mine and want some feedback...

Posted on 12/04/2009 5:49:30 AM PST by wzevonfan

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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I think we all assume he is a GOPer but he has not made that clear one way or the other. I like his defense credentials but just don’t know anything else about him.


61 posted on 12/04/2009 9:59:34 AM PST by wzevonfan (Patreaus has said he won't run)
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To: wzevonfan
Thank you for the thought you have put into this, and for making this post. I'm sure it will be an interesting thread. Hopefully we can keep it civil, as I'm sure you intended.
62 posted on 12/04/2009 10:03:31 AM PST by truthkeeper ("Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?")
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To: wzevonfan
"i had read several articles that said jindal wasn’t pressing the investigation into ACORN.

Really? Do you remember where you read all of these articles?

"Seemed odd but that was what was reported."

Do you believe as fact anything that you see reported? If it seemed odd, did you check any further to find out whether or not it was true?

"These are the sorts of things that get picked up in primaries and can torpedo someone though."

Yep, especially when folks like you spread untruths by writing them as fact on a widely-read forum.

Makes one wonder about your true agenda.

63 posted on 12/04/2009 10:18:31 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: GOP_Lady

This website doesn’t support Socialists, please take it somewhere else.


64 posted on 12/04/2009 12:04:21 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: wzevonfan
Someone earlier posted:
I think our national chances are better with a boring, conventional white man, in the style of McDonnell in Virginia.

To which I replied:

A few of the RINOs might believe this. The Democrats want all non-Democrats to believe it.

Anyone who really does believe it is not paying attention.

No boring, conventional white man is going to win the White Hut back from the communists. No RINO of either gender is going to win the White Hut back from the communists.

The communist media has already told us, day in and day out, long, hard, continuously, and most viciously, who can win the White Hut back from the communists.

The commies are not afraid of any RINO. They are not afraid of Huckster, McCain, Rudy, Romney, Pawlenty, Jindal(hey, did you know that Jindal is not a Natural Born Citizen -- you'll damn sure find out if the commies succeed in getting him into the GOP nomination), Haley Barbor, etc., etc., etc., RINO ad nauseum.

The top of the ticket is Sarah Palin, or bust. Perhaps we'll have Michele Bachmann in the #2 spot, maybe not, but the communist media have also told us the same about her.

Palin / Bachmann 2012 -- is the communists' and their lamestream media's worst nightmare, and they tell us this day in and day out, over and over and over and over, for anyone who is willing to listen.

65 posted on 12/04/2009 12:16:54 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
You make a good point. I should have been more clear on this topic and probably several others that I haven't been called on.

I recall that during the summer that Jindal was under pressure to set off an Investigation of ACORN over the Voter Fraud issue and the Embezzlement issue. LA is uniquely responsible due to ACORNs HQ being in New Orleans. Now, I do not recall which publications this was in. It would have been something I reached off of Drudge or RCP since those are the two sites I read multiple times a day so it easily could have been Politico, The Washington Times, The NY Times or all three. This link to Michelle Malkins blog captures the tone I recall at the time:

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/06/acorn-watch-louisiana-investigates/

All this does is open up Jindal to charges that he was soft on ACORN. Additionally, every time someone mentions Jindal to three people I am close too, they are all quick to shout about him being soft on ACORN. (Which likely clouded my statement)

Now, the ultimate question is why did he resist immediate calls to investigate them after the election? I am certain that is because he did not want to open himself up to charges of abusing his power and pushing a “politically motivated investigation of a charity that trys to help poor people, blah, blah, blah.” I think given Palin’s treatment, it was wise for him to proceed carefully.

At a root level I think Jindal is going to be a superstar. All you need to do is look at what he has done at such a young age and that is clear. Additionally, the fact that he is not an old white male and has a great life story, he is even more appealing.

Regarding my agenda, it was to find something interesting to discuss on what was expected to be a quiet Friday.

66 posted on 12/04/2009 12:41:19 PM PST by wzevonfan (Jindal)
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To: wzevonfan
as long as NONE are rinos. :)

Free Republic's Rino Free America Project

67 posted on 12/05/2009 12:03:06 AM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Vote conservative....Please pray for our Troops, our Vets, our Country, Families and Friends)
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To: wzevonfan
Romney - Romneycare is an albatross. He is a Mormon which impacts appeal. Is popular in Michigan due to his father. Sometimes comes across like a used car salesman. Is probably more conservative than his record and gets a bad rap due to his need to make compromises to get elected in The People's Republic. Big question is can he rally a base that will be disenchanted with his record on social issues and healthcare.

Wouldn't it be more principled to move to a state where you can be a good guy by not stealing people's money and freedom, and still get elected?

68 posted on 12/05/2009 5:45:24 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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Former Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico is considering a run.
He is a cut glass fiscal conservative. Cut spending dramatically, reduced the number of state employees, vetoed more bills than the other 49 gov’s combined.


69 posted on 12/06/2009 5:41:49 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: glide625

My two cents.

No way Jose! Governor Goodhair should be retired to his ranch.

Unfortunately we have enough problems in Texas with truthfully only him and KBH in the race. A good candidate, Debra Medina, grassroots organization is growing slowly and it is unknown if it will be enough to send both packing into retirement.

Your list has 4 truly national candidates: Romney, Giuliani, Huckabee and Palin. Romeny does have the most experience (business-wise and political-wise of all) but I don’t believe electable for many reasons, however RomenyCare is not highest on the list of his detractions. Huckabee and Giuliani are both progressives with a liberal bent. Huckabee in all areas, Rudy not so much (Rudy should serve several terms as Governor of NY before trying again). Huckabee, even though following state law and governor perogotive has hit his Willie Horton moment. Palin, yes has media bias against her but other things for her in voters minds.

Of this group in 4 years, IMHO Sarah Palin can recover. She needs to let the people see her first hand and not through the MSM.

Newt is toast, he’s from another era and will not have a chance. As well as losing most of his former appeal to many many voters. He sold out in reaching across the aisle lately and this has tarnished him greatly in the eyes of many.

The rest are all local wonders. Jindal, Brownback, Pawlenty and McDonald ... IMHO local flash in the pans. Have done nothing to garner a true nationwide base of support. These names are never mention in Texas circles that I have discussions with, in any serious thoughts of consideration for support.

Ron Paul can stay home too. No serious consideration of him will ever be seen again. He is a wild card, a loose cannon that can seriously jeopardize America as badly as the current president.

I’m hoping, against hope maybe, to see Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter come forward again. I would like to see and hear more of Pence, DeMint and Coburn ... then again losing them in Congress at this time could be a negative.

I also hope to see the RNC and even the DNC to remove the Party-controlled Primary rules currently in place. The National Parties along with the MSM pick the candidate ... the voters are not in this formula at all.


70 posted on 12/06/2009 9:06:48 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Jack Black
Former Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico is considering a run.

DOA. Flaming Social Liberal with a radical open borders position on Immigration.

71 posted on 12/06/2009 11:35:17 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Demand Constitutionality)
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To: wzevonfan

Hunter/Demint. Forget the pretenders.


72 posted on 12/06/2009 10:39:55 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: K-oneTexas

That was certainly a well thought out response. You stated, “I also hope to see the RNC and even the DNC to remove the Party-controlled Primary rules currently in place. The National Parties along with the MSM pick the candidate ... the voters are not in this formula at all;” that touchs on a thought I’ve had for some time, i.e., that there’s certainly something amiss with the way the “parties” are functioning these days. And of course, we’re all aware of the problems with MSM having sold out and having abandonned their traditional role, but that’s an entirely different topic. I’m utterly unimpressed by any of the current crop of potential candidates; most have no real grounding in traditional conservative values and this has caused a near melding of the two parties at the center. As a result, each election cycle we seem left with nothing other than the choice between the lesser of the evils; which of course means we’re left with an evil of one form or another. The feel I have for this is that the “party” system has broken down in much the same way the entire system has broken down, i.e., that the National organizations have way too much control, money, influence, etc. and thus the local organizations have lost any real ability to guide or direct the national organizations. One example of how this isn’t working is that the so-called Platforms are largely ignored altogether. Another huge problem that this has caused is that Candidates aren’t properly vetted and feel totally unaccountable to the “folks back home”. The mess this has caused is rapidly spinning out of control because, as seen in the last election, our elections are causing more and more extreme swings of the political pendulum such that we seem to get less workable, stable economic direction and policy. It may be the case that the only way out of this mess is to somehow capture some of the “fire-in-the-belly” of these tea party movements to inspire people to vociferously participate in their local party apparatus such that they can wrest some power away from the amorphous, largley independent National organization. I don’t know; it’s just a thought. Maybe it has something to do with the way the parties are funded, but I’ve never had the luxury of the time to research that matter. However, on the surface, it does appear that the entire funding system for these elections is completely out of control.


73 posted on 12/07/2009 4:31:50 AM PST by glide625
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To: TheShaz

Yea well, considering the speed with which the Obama agenda is moving, if anyone is going to shoot me in the ass, they’d better use a scope because it’s a rapidly shrinking target!


74 posted on 12/07/2009 4:34:19 AM PST by glide625
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To: wzevonfan
What are your thoughts on 2012 candidates?

I think Tiger Woods is a shoo-in for the Democrats ;-)

75 posted on 12/07/2009 4:38:11 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: TurtleUp

I agree completely. We need to make sure we are running conservative alternatives to the current crop of legislators in 2010.


76 posted on 12/07/2009 5:25:57 AM PST by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: glide625

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

Vetting surely has been shown a major problem in this last election as no entity (State or National) will take responsibility for doing it.

The National Parties can fix themselves, however my guess is they do not want to at this point. The MSM will never again report as they are into manufacturing the news.

Funding is a major problem. One ‘fix’ I’d like is get the $1.00 on the IRS form to be for National Debt repayment and not election payments.

I agree, very good response glide625.


77 posted on 12/07/2009 7:16:52 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: gibtx2
I will say the candidate for this time around has not emerged

I agree. None of those listed do anything for me.

78 posted on 12/07/2009 7:18:31 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: wolfman23601; Old Sarge; darkwing104
TEN posts in the last year?

Sniff, sniff?.

79 posted on 12/08/2009 3:03:22 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: GOP_Lady
I am for the most experienced person — Mitt Romney. This country needs someone with his business background at this time.

This country doesn't need someone with his Romneycare background, especially seeing as the liberal/socialists are hell bent on trying this nationwide, even though poll after poll show it to be wildly unpopular.

Sorry, Romney is done (imo).

80 posted on 12/23/2009 9:00:07 PM PST by adm5 (THE COMING TAX REVOLT SHOULD BE THE LAST THING OBAMA & CO. SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT.)
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