Skip to comments.You can love Palin without wanting her to be president (Journolist Alert)
Posted on 08/30/2010 9:55:57 AM PDT by pissant
A new 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll offers what is, I think, a somewhat misleading way to look at Sarah Palin.
The poll finds that 59% of Americans and 40% of Republicans don't think she'd make an "effective president" -- numbers that come very close to disqualifying her even in the primary, if she chooses to run.
This trouble imagining President Palin is constant across the polling since soon after she was chosen as John McCain's running mate, and it reflects both her own lack of experience and the higher bar set for a woman -- Hillary Clinton did years of carefully projecting the kind of strength Mark Penn thought she needed to show to be a plausible contender. (Holmes and Traister think there's now space for a Palin on the left, but the poll numbers suggest otherwise to me.)
In any case, however, it's possible to adore and follow a political leader without wanting him or her to be President of the United States, or even thinking he or she is qualified. The most frequently drawn parallel with Palin is Jesse Jackson -- popular and respected on much of the left for a time, at least, seen as presidential by smaller numbers.
But the Daily Show's Jon Stewart may be a better example.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
LOL. Better question is can you marginally like her and not be a deemed a hater, troll, DUer, or enemy of the Republic?
>> LOL. Better question is can you marginally like her and not be a deemed a hater, troll, DUer, or enemy of the Republic?
I could have sworn that, a few weeks back, you promised Jim you were going to knock this crap off.
If your feelings for Palin are marginal like, pissant, I’d hate to see your marginal dislike.
That's pathetic even by your non-existent standards.
Of course, there were way too many who loved Obama AND mistakenly believed he’d be an effective president: look what that got them.
>>You can love Palin without wanting her to be president<<
That nails my perspective.
Heck, it’s how I feel about Limbaugh and Beck. I think they can do more good outside of government than in. I told Sarah exactly that when we talked a few months ago. I also told her I’d not be disappointed if she DID run though. :)
I thought he got banned.
I have said this for a long time....
I like her and am glad she is on our team. But I don’t know if she is ready to be quarterback. And I don’t know if that will ever be her best position.
I like Rush. But I don’t think he would make a good president. I like Cheney, but I don’t think he should run. etc.
I cringed when I saw her compared to Jackson. There is a small difference in motives and understanding.
I love the leftist media!!!
The left will always tell us conservatives which candidate is the best by the way they continually attack.
If Palin is so unelectable, why the constant news barrage every time she blinks???
Remember, the media said Reagan was unelectable.
Palin isn’t my first choice, but...
....what were Duncan Hunter’s “numbers” before he thought about running?
Just doing my best to stop the coronation. You want FR to be SarahRepublic?
Which of her teammates do you think is a good choice for president in ‘12?
I personally adore Palin, but don’t want her to run since I believe she is FFAARRR more effective doing what she is doing now.
She is good at rallying the troops, getting people elected, moving the train forward, and thats’ what we need.
If she runs, it will get bogged down in nonsense over her family, advosros, personal BS, etc.
Sarah right now is making money, being very effective, rallying patriotic americans, pissing off the left, and being an icon for women.
And who do you think would make a better president?
As a result of recent allegations that movie star Mel Gibson abused his former girlfriend, are you now less likely to go see a Mel Gibson movie, or wont these allegations affect whether or not you go see a MEL GIBSON MOVIE?
Yeah, that's a really serious and rigorous political poll you're citing, pissant.
How did I know this was your thread before I clicked on it from the sidebar? Has the Falcon Party talked to Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin yet about 2012? Or maybe Tom Tancredo, Bob Barr or a fruitcake to be named later...
This coming from a guy who routinely and uncritically drags in left-wing trash to using against Palin - like you did here. If you are so concerned with the quality of FR, start with cleaning up your own sorry act.
Politico, John Stewart, 60 Min, and Vanity Fair are telling us that SP will not do?
Can’t wait to see what they say about Mitt, Huck, and Newt.
So I’ll know who to vote for.
Running to Ben Smith of Politico and CBS for confirmation of your Palin hatred is ridiculous and then to accept the premise that she is a Jesse Jackson is over the top.....don’t worry, you will be gone by the end of the year since Jim Robinson has you on a short leash and he warned you on your woman hatred and you won’t be able to contain yourself
I didn't realize the primary had started and she had signed up to run. You remind me of the private potato peeler who is complaining that the sniper, while picking off the enemy, isn't ready to be a general.
Ask me in a year.
By then, I hope Sarah Palin is coming out of her cocoon.
So I take that as a yes.
He reminds me of someone on the Jersey Shore complaining about others being skanks.
Then what do all the worshiping cultists here telling you and everyone else that “Only Sarah” is good enough to be POTUS in 2012. They are working for a coronation here.
Okay. (I hope she’s studying up on foreign affairs on the side, too: we like to elect former governors as president, and as part of the package we like them to bone up on foreign affairs before they are elected.)
I agree with you. It seems though if you don’t want her to be President then there is something wrong with you. I like her, but I don’t feel she would be best for the job. She is however a great asset for conservatives.
No, there are plenty of conservatives who have made rational arguments against Palin. You could try sticking to them, instead of rolling like a dog on a fresh turd when you see a left-wing anti-Palin article.
This must be the poll that CNN was trumpeting this morning.
They knew the results of the poll before they even took it.
Newsweek does the same thing, they have a poll out suggesting Democrats have turned the corner. Both polls would be best used for TP at my cabin out house. I take that back, I would not be willing to use those in my outhouse, might catch something.
The real story here is this...The MSM hates Sarah, there will never be a honest poll on Sarah from any pollster, Not Ras and not Fox either!
If Sarah ran she would easily win the nomination, so shows how much they know.
Also remember that who ever gets the nomination will be demonized by the MSM. And it does not matter that people that live in California,NY and Mass etc hate Sarah, we are not going to win those States anyway.
If Sarah runs she will win enough people over to win, a third of the country plus a few will hate her or who ever runs, big deal!!!
If I was advising her, I would tell her to hold press conferences taking all and any questions. If Today show wants to ask a question, come to her press conference and ask it, none of this taped stuff. This is after the primary
The moment that it became clear that she was not a possible front runner for president, then much of that effectiveness would disappear, that is the damage that these anti-Palin people hope to effect.
..and there you go calling them cultists again when you seem far more obsessed than any of them. You post far more articles about Palin than them put together. You keep her name tops here more than anyone else. Hate to break it to you, but the pro-Palin "cult" as you like to call them, pick up their devotion the more she is attacked. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction applies not only to physics but to internet conversations.
Now I'll leave you to your obsession as I doubt all of that concept will sink in to you.
The author of the article, Ben Smith, is on the Journolist
Readers of this article should therefore understand that it is likely that this 'article' is a collaborative work of leftists with the stated intent to manufacture propaganda to move our society towards socialism
These are for you, pissant!!
I’ve made the arguments. Over and over. It was me who posted her cheerleading article supporting LOST, for example.
BTW, the leftwing anti-Palin articles are received as well as the right wing anti-palin articles. Keyword Search - Jesse Kelly.
Five stages of grief:
Politico just went from denial to bargaining.
So why don't you just leave it at that? You are the one dragging left-wing trash into FR, so you undermine your own argument about the quality of FR. Methinks you could care less about FR.
Just doing my best to stop the coronation. You want FR to be SarahRepublic?
(B-b-b-but...she endorsed her political patron!)
When (or if) she is ready, she will need to be able to articulate those issues in depth, not just on Facebook posts.
She will need to be able to hold her own with the editorial board at the New York Times, Washington Post, etc. She will have to be able to face tough questions on Sunday morning news shows. She will be giving serious policy speeches at the National Press Club, etc.
I am glad she is on our team, either way.
He did, but his promises are meaningless, just like the _resident's.
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DAISYJANE69 WROTE ON A SIMILAR THREAD
The Hillbuzz guys (those 5 gay Hillary guys that turned on the Dems in 08, after the Obama shenanigans, and campaigned for McCain/Palin) went to the rally Saturday. Im going to excerpt one of their essays (there will be 5 more on the rally, as they were there to report back):
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As we were leaving the Lincoln Memorial area, and walking up 23rd street near some State Department buildings, we spotted two black African vendors, selling buttons, pins, and tee shirts to the Mississippi-grade river of people leaving the million-strong event.
The vendors had plenty of Palin 2012 materials, and they were selling as fast as the pair could hand them out to people.
They were shouting, as loud as they could, Get your Sarah Palin buttons! We have Sarah Palin butons for 2012! Get your Sarah Palin shirts! Sarah Palin will be the next president! Get her buttons now!.
In their accented voices, in all sincerity, they were stating something we believe is clear FACT: that Sarah Palin will be our next president, and that people in the merchandising world realize this.
Its what we noticed the moment we landed in DC and walked through the concourse at Reagan National: the shops selling political items treat Sarah Palin as if she is already president. On the shelves, these stores have small bobble-head dolls of presidents from the past: Washington, Lincoln, Kennedy, etc. Obama is up there too. And right next to him is Sarah Palin, in either a red jacket or the black outfit she wore when she spoke in Dayton, Ohio on August 29th, 2008.
We dont remember the merchandising world treating Hillary Clinton with this certainty back in 2006. We saw plenty of Obama materials, but nothing for Secretary Clinton that early. Even in the heat of the campaign, there was never as much Hillary merchandise as if the people who make, produce, purchase, and distribute this stuff didnt believe it had a shelf life long enough to produce so much of it.
With Sarah Palin, there is an enormous amount of merchandise out there, geared both towards people who love her and the Left who wants to buy things to mock her (like the Hillary Clinton nutcrackers that were made to appeal to those on the Right who still are afflicted with Clinton Derangement Syndrome).
We have a good friend who is a buyer for a major department store. She says that trends are followed closely in the merchandising industry, with prognasticators looking far into the future to determine what consumers are going to want not today, or tomorrow, but far enough into the future for companies to get rich cornering a market on something the public will have an insatiable desire for.
People, these trend-followers, who earn enormous salaries for being RIGHT about what American popular culture is going to look like in the years ahead, have identified Sarah Palin as a source of immense merchandising revenue.
They are treating Governor Palin as a viable, lasting brand and retailers are placing her alongside the current and past presidents as an equal on par with them. The Palin bobbleheads are not displayed next to the Michelle Obama or Ben Franlin ones, which were the only two non-presidential dolls we spotted (there were no Hillary ones, and no Bill Clinton ones either, but there were dolls of Franklin Roosevelt standing that were unrecognizable because we never picture FDR that way).
Since Governor Palin is not a current or former US President, and is just a private citizen now, she should rightly be grouped with Franklin and Michelle Antoinette, if retailers were grouping these dolls as presidents on one shelf, and other politically-realmed figures on another.
It just looks RIGHT for Governor Palins dolls to be up there with the president ones.
Thats where customers appear to look for her, so thats where retailers place her.
It is all part of the larger fact that, culturally, America is indeed trending towards accepting the reality that Governor Palin will indeed by our 45th president, elected in 2012.
Entire piece at LINK
Blatantly inaccurate. DO a keyword search 'Palin' to see just how wrong you are. Here: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/palin/index?tab=articles
And just how is Duncan Hunter doing these days pissant? Still not as popular as Palin? Too bad.
Maybe if you post another 1500 or so anti-Palin articles you may just be able to chip away half a percent from her numbers. Good luck on that. But wouldnt life be much more pleasant if you chose to attack the Leftist that are in power, not the conservatives that are speaking out against them?
All available evidence says "no." In the black-and-white world of some, one either Loves or Hates Sarah Palin.
It's amusing to note that the same emotional dynamic applies among the supporters of Barack Obama...
LOL. That’s a good response.
Then what do all the worshiping cultists here telling you and everyone else that Only Sarah is good enough to be POTUS in 2012.
Please provide the links to all the posts that suggested no one else is good enough.
She may presently be my own first choice, but if Michelle Bachman or Jim DeMint could show her level of effectiveness, I’ll be ready to applaud their success in gaining the nomination.
What she is doing now is so much better than POTUS.
She is getting conservative (Other than mcCain) people elected and moving the movement forward.
If she runs for POTUS, she won’t be able to do anyof this and will be nitpicked even more to death.
Look, if she runs, i will support her $$$ wise, time, energy, etc, but my personal belief is that she is more effective doing what she is doing now.
Additionally, i like her family very much and really don’t want to see the ugly nasty stuff I know she would be subjected to.
Before you were scolded by the big dog several weeks ago, I posted the same search category list and you had 60% of the Palin articles on the first page listing. In one day you posted five or six articles alone on her.
Get a grip. How many dozens of MSM (left wing trash) articles are posted here each day?
Yeah. A guy that has taken the time and effort to get actual conservative politicians to come onto FR really doesn’t care about it.
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