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I don't think Mr., Miss or Mrs. Hedt ever served in uniform.
1 posted on 01/07/2011 4:58:18 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I hope someone checks in on this individual on a daily basis. All sharp and dangerous objects should be removed from the home.


2 posted on 01/07/2011 5:02:55 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("The Dems have a 'war room' for everything but war..." - Dennis Miller)
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It works for Israel, but it wouldn’t work here.


3 posted on 01/07/2011 5:03:28 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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Both Mr Reaganaut and I wanted to serve but couldn’t for health reasons (his knee and my hearing loss).

I don’t think it would work here.


4 posted on 01/07/2011 5:08:58 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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Both Mr Reaganaut and I wanted to serve but couldn’t for health reasons (his knee and my hearing loss).

I don’t think it would work here.


5 posted on 01/07/2011 5:10:20 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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Because people would be required to become physically fit, (in order to survive in the military) obesity levels in America would drop . . . The presidents children are in the military; congresses children are in the military. How fast would they be to go to war with the knowledge that their children would be deployed . . . The effects of making military service mandatory are numerously good. A chain reaction would take place and American society would reform itself.

This person is too stupid to have any business discussing our military - is the author a Dem Congressman? The military is too important for freedom to pollute it with the losers this would saddle us with. Keep our military all volunteer, so that they can select from those who want to join and take only the best available. What we have isn't perfect, but it's a whole lot better than universal conscription. If this nutcase really wants everyone to "participate" in our country, put them somewhere that the ordinary person is an improvement, for example random selection to Congress, which would be a whole lot better than elections seem to be in many cases.

6 posted on 01/07/2011 5:11:26 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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The Colonial Army that was the foundation of our present US Military was volunteer - and should remain so...

It always amazes me the wide spread personalities that come together - even for a short while - that serve in the US Armed Forces - unique but single...I learned more about our nation and the background of others by being in the military - and would have hated having soldiers that complained that they :had to be there.” - Unless they want it - by free choice - all one would get under what is proposed is a train wreck...that system is not required in the US...


7 posted on 01/07/2011 5:12:14 PM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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I want the choice to serve or not. I will always defend my country one way or another. I am not into being in the army as being a tool of the globalists or the new world order folks, or those that want us to fight in order to provide work for arms companies. Which is why at the current time I would not volunteer. Plus at this point in time I am not sure this president’s orders are lawful. Further they have now forced open homosexuality on troops, so until this would be reversed there’s no way in hell I’d put on a uniform under command of people that are so screwed up, I could not trust them.

I’d fight locally as a deputy, or defending my state, where I am.


11 posted on 01/07/2011 5:29:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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I am a believer in Male only universal, DADT at least, draft for 6 months or at most a year of intense basic infantry training only at 17 or 18 years of age, HS grad or no. No postings. It should perhaps not even be directly under DoD. No enlistment permitted for 6 months past graduation then no further requirement for service.

Being universal it would not be a disruption and no one would be "getting ahead" of his peers by going to school instead.

It would give us a population of young men who are all familiar with the military. Most of the resistance to the Draft was fear of the military as an unknown thing. With all familiar with it no combat or staffing draft would ever be necessary. A war situation would bring a flood of volunteers to serve just because the military is familiar to all young men, it is not a scary unknown and the training has given them character and confidence and instilled a sense of protecting family and country. The thing that undid the old Draft was its capriciousness and the opportunities for rich kids and politically connected kids to avoid it and stay cushily in universities. Make it a part of becoming an adult for boys.

12 posted on 01/07/2011 5:30:58 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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This is a great idea, until you really think about it. How many pathetic lefties do you want standing next to you in formation? I’ve been there and I can say NONE!
This would collectively bring down all standards the military has, and that may be the reason why Charlie the turd Wrangle and this author want to do it.


13 posted on 01/07/2011 5:45:28 PM PST by vpintheak (Democrats: Robbing humans of their dignity 1 law at a time)
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Good luck with the Section 8 crowd on all that stuff.

We already spend $15,000 per year for each of them to go public school, and 90% of them can't read a cereal box.

18 posted on 01/07/2011 7:10:52 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (DEFCON I ALERT: The federal cancer has metastasized. All personnel report to their battle stations.)
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Mandatory military service is a form of involuntary servitude.


19 posted on 01/07/2011 7:28:30 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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Truthfully, the wave of the future is to limit the use of the US military to real and important missions. Better for them, far cheaper and more sensible for all of us.

The way to do this is to create a foreign legion, somewhat like the French Foreign Legion, but privately owned and operated offshore of the US. Think by a US loyal company like Blackwater, owned and operated by US veterans.

Importantly, this organization would perform some of the most mundane, expensive, and erosive missions the US military is saddled with, yet nationally give us *more* military flexibility around the world.

1) Peacekeeping, humanitarian and disaster relief missions. For the US military to do these “stand around with a rifle and feed people” missions costs billions, uses expensive supplies, and diverts combat oriented commands away from where they should be. And they can drag on for months or years.

2) Conventional African missions. Americans just plain do not want to send our sons and daughters to Africa. We correctly see the place as a pest hole filled with nasty diseases and no, zero compelling national interest.

Importantly, the French learned long ago that such forces must be kept offshore, because in country there are just too many temptations for mischief, from just about everyone. So likely we would put them on a Caribbean island, and when they had signed on to a mission, voluntarily, the US military would provide them with transport and logistics.

Being offshore as well, they could recruit the best and the brightest from around the world, as long as their senior NCOs and officers were US citizens.

Being a private organization, the US could also offer their services to American allies, and unlike with our own people, would have no problem with them being under foreign control.

The use of such private armies was very successful in Europe for over a thousand years, and kept the price of military services far lower than with standing armies. Only when Napoleon created an enormous “grand armee” of a million men was it realized that such a mass could only be opposed by other mass armies. But if such massive numbers are not in question, private armies are much more economical.


20 posted on 01/07/2011 7:58:33 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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The military is not what it used to be.

Grunts refuse to require their troops to perform field days because it is beneath them.

Go figure.


21 posted on 01/07/2011 8:02:58 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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It would never work here. Our modern weapons systems need intelligent well educated and smart people to operate them. The systems are complex and demand that the operators can think.
This is not what is coming out of our big city high schools today. There are some areas that constantly produce the troops we need. The country folks, kids from the red counties and states make up the vast majority of our military volunteers.
If the military had to take all young people there would be a two tiered military. Those who are smart enough to operate modern weapons systems and good enough to lead these proud souls and the rest would be cannon fodder.
I'm retired military. Stupid people get you dead and in a thousand ways. Having served with a few military members from the inner cities of our nation I can assure you that this is a plan for destructing our proud military services. Every person I served with that was from the inner cities had a huge attitude problem and every last one of them were racist beyond belief. And yes they were all black. Mandatory service for all youth is not a good idea.
22 posted on 01/07/2011 8:13:08 PM PST by oldenuff2no (Rangers lead the way...... Delta, the original European home land security)
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Interesting that the author is described as a Libertarian??!!
This proposal does not seem very libertarian to me.


23 posted on 01/07/2011 8:21:35 PM PST by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till it is free"--PJ O'rourke)
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We don’t need no steenking mandatory service.


24 posted on 01/07/2011 8:24:34 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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I think it’s a great idea. If all the teens on their way to Harvard, Yale and Wall Street had to serve for two years, it would go a long way toward dispelling the contempt and hatred the ruling class has for the rest of America.

Women could do all the support jobs instead of training for combat, just like in WWII.


28 posted on 01/07/2011 11:03:36 PM PST by Blue Ink
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As a guy who was drafted in WW II, I resent some of the comments that drafted guys would not fight. WW II was won by draftees since most of the regular army guys were lost in Africa and Italy. Normandy and the Bulge were fought by soldiers less than 25 years old.

Anyway saying that I don’t go along with military service draftees in other than war time. A peace time army would only encourage military action as all presidents seem to want to be a ‘war time president’. Giving them a ready available army would be too much of a temptation.

If Congress formally declares we are at war, then a draft would be appropriate.


31 posted on 01/08/2011 9:52:30 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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I served with the last of the old draftee Army and the first of the new all-volunteer force (circa 1972).

The new volunteers were head and shoulders better soldiers than the old draftees.

So, I'd say, any suggestion about returning to a draftee military is really an attempt to degrade our forces from today's levels -- which are universally acknowledged to be the best ever.

Perhaps more importantly:

Point is, while militia service was near universal during colonial times, the nation managed without a national draft until the Civil War, and when the draft was applied long-term, from WWII through Vietnam, it was not ultimately good for the military.

Further, unlike past militaries -- which were built on masses of "canon fodder" troops -- the whole concept of war-fighting today depends on the few, the well-trained, the highly-motivated and equipped with the best weapons possible.

These people have to be volunteers, they have to be good people to begin with, and they have to be carefully selected for their roles. In short: they have to be professional.

So in a sense, they have to be the best our nation can offer, not your "average Joe", and certainly not the dregs which can be over represented in a drafted army.

If you ask, how can we maintain adequate force levels without a draft? The answer is: pay them more, and give them more respect where it counts -- in their home communities.

Final thought: America has never been a "military state" like the old Prussian Empire. We only reluctantly raise and maintain barely adequate armies during wartime, and can only hope and pray we don't lose too much military expertise during long years of peace.

An American military today, equivalent to the peak of World War Two, would include nearly 50 million citizens, nearly all of them drafted.

Can anyone even imagine a scenario (short of total nuclear war) in which such a force might be required?

32 posted on 01/09/2011 3:36:39 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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The “NEW YORK” DAILY NEWS?? Do you really expect the NY’ers NOT to Blame Palin? To the NY liberals she is the most hated woman on the planet. Did you not expect the MSM to get as much mileage as they can from this incident to work against Palin? Its a Propaganda war that is weighted on the MSM side and directed to the stupidity of the dumb-ass voters they cater to.


36 posted on 01/09/2011 7:32:50 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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