Eve after the Fall

[Mandingo Conservative]

Great moments in Democrat Party History: Genesis edition. Satan was like the first "community organizer", just ask Eve, the first liberal useful idiot! Dumb broad and her damn apples.

[MestaMachine]

Can’t find it, can ya.

[Just mythoughts]

Only Adam was given the commandment to not ‘touch’ the tree trunk. I think it was Adam’s duty to set the standard and protect ‘that woman’ instead of blaming The LORD that gave her to him. But more than that it demonstrates to us now just how ‘weak’ flesh beings are when they do things their way. And all three were judged for their actions.

[Niuhuru]

I mean, this womna foisted Dr. Phil on the world and has basically sermonized her own views on things, despite being completely unqualified.

[Niuhuru]

Kind of boils down to ingratitude. Adam and Eve had it all and thye wrecked it because they didn’t appreciate what they had. They wanted more and selfishly went against the guidance and rules God set down. All either ahd ot do was follow them.

[deltaromeo11]

Adam was not a liberal, but he was passive, which I likened to wimpy - thus liberal.
God created Adam first and God put Adam in charge. Eve is termed by God as Adam’s helper. God told Adam not to eat of the fruit. God actually does not say “don’t touch it.” Eve says, “God said not to touch it.” So either Eve misquoted God or Adam did not communicate the directive effectively. Now, in the middle of Genesis 3:6 the verse says that Adam “was with her” the whole time, during the conversation with the serpent. As the man in charge of the woman, it was his responsibility to lead the woman away from danger. Yes, Eve ate and sinned and was punished, but Adam could have prevented the whole thing by acting instead of being passive. We know that Gd held Adam accountable because the scripture in Genesis 3:9 states that “God called to the man” not to them both. To further prove Adam’s wimpiness, Adam blames God with the verse, “The woman you put here with me” did it.

It’s not really about feminism. It’s about recognizing responsibility. It’s about man trying to act like Jesus, the last Adam, rather than behaving badly like the first Adam. If men started to behave like responsible, noble men again in this society we would not be cursed like we are currently with passive men.(not all men, just what popular culture is trying to yoke us with) Isaiah 3 talks about our society now. I’m not saying it’s prophetic about our society, I’m just saying the situations are similar.(in case anyone starts arguing hermeneutics with me)

[MestaMachine]

I think the Genesis story is far deeper than that. Why TWO trees?
So let’s step out of the box. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that G-d created more than one pair of “man”. And they were each given the same two trees. One was knowlege and one was immortality WITHOUT knowledge. Those who would have chosen immortality would not have known how to survive a world like earth...let alone have “dominion” over it. Mindless servants that would need everlasting shepherding, no freedom of thought, no capability to adapt, no need to be fruitful and multiply because they were already immortal, and incapable of independent thought or free will.
Somehow, I don’t think that was ever what G-d intended.
So they were “conceived” in Eden, which might well be a metaphor for womb, innocent as babies, but babies must be nurtured in the womb and are completely and utterly dependent for literally everything on the body they inhabit. They can’t stay there forever. And once they leave the womb, there is no going back. That “garden” is closed to them forever. Hence, the angel at the gate.

[American Constitutionalist]

" Find me the verse in the Bible where G-d tells EVE not to eat the fruit. "
Eve can't claim ignorance, she surely know what GOD had commanded, even if she was not directly told.

How then ? was Eve made known what GOD had commanded ?

Genesis 3

2. The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
3. but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

[MestaMachine]

That is hearsay and an assumption invalid in a court of law. Why should Eve have believed Adam and not the serpent? Both told her opposite things. Either could have been lying OR telling the truth. G-D did not tell her and in fact, in the second Genesis story, Eve had not even been created when G-d told Adam. Who was she supposed to believe?
And beyond that, I think Eve deserves a heck of a lot of credit for choosing knowledge over immortalty and eternal stupidity.
Did you know that ALL babies are female until seven weeks gestation?

[deltaromeo11]

Did you know that ALL babies are female until seven weeks gestation?

The parts may look similar in their development until seven weeks, but if the DNA says male, it’s male.

[MestaMachine]

Not until around 7 weeks. There is a process whereby the sex is determined. A male receives testosterone in the amount necessary to generate male genitalia. Even if there is a genetic predisposition for the fetus to become a male, if it does not receive the correct level of male hormones, the wolffian development is either incomplete or disappears altogether and what is left is either a very feminized male or a female.
I actually think that the overuse of birth control pills with their high levels of estrogen has caused a rise in feminine men and I would love to see a study done to prove or disprove my theory.

[American Constitutionalist]

No matter how anyone looks at it, God holds us all accountable and responsible for our own actions and sin.

Eve, or the Feminist, or false teachers, ( yes, the feminist have infiltrated the church with this lie and polluted your minds and hearts ) can not place the blame on Adam for her sin, she was accountable and responsible for her own actions and sin.

Those who want to put the blame on Adam because Adam was supposed " a weak man " or passive " just want to push the blame of their own actions and sin on someone else.

It's called : PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY .... we are all held accountable and responsible before GOD of our own sins, not sins of others, our own sins.


We can argue and go round and round in circles like a revolving door until we are blue in our face, but, what it all boils down to, is ? when it all comes down to is ? ( *** Personal Responsibility *** ) being held accountable for what we have done.


Maturity is knowing when you are held accountible for YOUR OWN actions and sins, not someone else.

Putting the blame on Adam for what Eve had done herself is trying to escape personal responsibility.


It's the bogus argument that since we belong to Christ and since God is protecting us, when we sin, some how it is Christ who failed to protect us from sin.

* God forbid anyone puts the blame on GOD because anyone chooses to sin !! *

Because someone sins is not because God was not protecting them from sin,

* sin is a choice *

You choose to sin against GOD.


God gives us a way of escape when we are tempted with sin, and when someone sins, we make a conscience choice to sin.

It all comes down to Personal accountability, and Personal Responsibility.

[MestaMachine]

Whoa there, fella. I never blamed Adam for anything. What Eve did or did not do was her own choice. I was simply pointing out that though everyone blames Eve, she was actually blameless...as was Adam though his situation was slightly different...and for the same reason G-d did not immediately do away with Cain for killing Abel. THEY DID NOT KNOW THEY WERE DOING WRONG. THEY HAD TO LEARN IT.
You are the one who started off this thread blaming Eve for feminist emasculation of men. That simply is not true. You have to equate your position on personal responsibility with the real truth which is:
Men ALLOWED themselves to be emasculated and personally, I wouldn’t want a darn thing to do with a man who grovels and whines or blames me for his own faults. It’s unseemly. Like white guilt.
See, I agree with your last post and you made my point. Thank you.

[MestaMachine]

“just ask Eve, the first liberal useful idiot! Dumb broad and her damn apples.”

Lest you forgot how you started this thread. It is an absolute insult.

[MestaMachine]

“NO THANK YOU !!! no thanks to you feminist for the curse that we find ourselves in now....”
“Before the fall, Eve was the complete, and whole woman, and was truly fulfilled.”

See what I mean?

[Just mythoughts]

I think the Genesis story is far deeper than that. Why TWO trees? So let’s step out of the box. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that G-d created more than one pair of “man”. And they were each given the same two trees. One was knowlege and one was immortality WITHOUT knowledge. Those who would have chosen immortality would not have known how to survive a world like earth...let alone have “dominion” over it. Mindless servants that would need everlasting shepherding, no freedom of thought, no capability to adapt, no need to be fruitful and multiply because they were already immortal, and incapable of independent thought or free will. Somehow, I don’t think that was ever what G-d intended. So they were “conceived” in Eden, which might well be a metaphor for womb, innocent as babies, but babies must be nurtured in the womb and are completely and utterly dependent for literally everything on the body they inhabit. They can’t stay there forever. And once they leave the womb, there is no going back. That “garden” is closed to them forever. Hence, the angel at the gate.

It is my opinion, of course, the Genesis 'story' is the least understood book of the whole Bible. Moses was not here in the flesh from the 'beginning' and did not literally experienced what he penned of Genesis. And interestingly Moses was educated by the Egyptian monarchy so he was NOT a dumb slouch sheep/goat herder.

I consider Genesis not only a 'history', but a 'key' to the road-map the rest of the holy prophets and apostles were used to guide any individuals flesh journey.

The two trees are symbolic and an allegory not literal trees. Trees as are used throughout by the prophets, from Gideon cutting down the 'grove', to that parable of the trees of Jotham recorded in the book of judges, and etc., even Christ cursing the 'fig' tree points back to Genesis and Jeremiah.

But this notion that Eve represents the cause and reason for poor man's fall is basis 101 instruction by the majority of Christian teaching. I even had a woman making a trip over to visit me with an instruction she had been given at a Sunday church sermon about how Rebekah too was evidenced of the 'natural' deceptive ways of woman. Now it was a STUPID man preacher that spoke without knowledge or understanding that wanted to put woman in her place.

The Genesis account says that all three individually 'sinned' were judged and held accountable for their own individual sins. Now I really do not see how tall any man stands by using Adam's whimpering out blaming the LORD for that woman the LORD gave him as anything to be beating their chests as cause. Most especially, when it was before 'that woman' was even formed that the man was given the one on one instruction to stay away from that specific and particular tree.

Rather seems to me all these many 'days' later that no one outside of the loving arms of the LORD is or will be immune to the lies and deceit of the magical tree of the knowledge of good and evil....

[American Constitutionalist]

" “just ask Eve, the first liberal useful idiot! Dumb broad and her damn apples.”

" Lest you forgot how you started this thread. It is an absolute insult. "

In case you have not noticed, I did not start this thread.

[American Constitutionalist]

" Whoa there, fella. I never blamed Adam for anything "

Ok, let us both step back, and think for a minute, what are you talking about ?
There is a teaching going on in churches who have been infiltrated by the feminist to subvert and bring control of the churches under the feminist control.

There is a popular teaching going around that people are teaching that, yes, even though Eve gave into the devil's seductions, that, still, it was Adam's fault for not protecting her.
They teach that Adam was not exercising his leadership, so I guess that's the excuse feminist of today use to escape their own actions and sins and lay the blame on their husbands ?

It's still pushing the blame onto Adam no matter how you look at it.
And by proxy, by putting the blame on Adam, is also putting the blame on GOD for not protecting her.

She knew what God's command was, she was not without any excuse.
She chose to go outside of God's and Adam's authority and disobey God's command.

We hear a lot of voices today that demand that men take up their rightful positions of authority in the family and take charge, is that what women really want ?
However, when a husband does try to assert his authority, sparks fly because there are a lot of feminist who hate it, oppose that a husband has a rightful place of the head authority in a family, that a husband has the rightful place of leadership and head authority over his wife and family.
Feminist rebel and hate GOD's authority, and a husband's rightful place of leadership and authority over his wife and family....
Do these voices that claim that they want men to assert their leadership really want the husband and men to assert their authority ?

IF ? IF that answer is a YES, then ? don't rebel against it when men, or a husband does assert his rightful authority and leadership.... can't have it both ways.

[American Constitutionalist]

" Men ALLOWED themselves to be emasculated and personally "

We have voices that go around and tell us that men, husbands should take their leadership place in the family and assert their authority....
However ? we also have voices that say, by a husband asserting his rightful authority, that " the man " is trying to put " the woman " in her place...

Can't have it both ways...

On one token, they want the husband to not be passive, weak, and take the leadership role, assert his authority, but, on the other hand, when a man does, then they cry the victim role saying that the man is being mean and trying to put the woman in her place.

Can't have it both ways.



If and when these voices claim and demand that men/husbands take up their leadership role, and assert their rightful authority, then don't rebel against his and GOD's authority and claim the victim and say that the man/husband is putting the woman in her place.

Can't have it both ways.

[Rightly Biased]

A memeber of the Fraternity as well, I see.

when I bring that truth of Adam up I get all kinds of flack, but the truth is the truth.

[Rightly Biased]

Adam was there when Eve took the fruit from the tree Genesis 3:6 ( He was with her) and he let her take it and he ate of it as well.

Adam is at fault for not protecting the woman. God put him in charge.
God told Adam she was weaker than he.