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OUR VIEW: They say birth certificate may be fake (poll) [Barf Alert]
The Colorado Springs Gazette ^ | April 27, 2011 | Wayne Laugesen, for the editorial board

Posted on 04/27/2011 4:52:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As President Barack Obama continued hurting this country as a failing president, compounding the progressive economic catastrophes of George W. Bush, The Gazette’s editorial board became fed up with the “birther” movement of conspiracy theorists who believed Obama was a foreigner. These people are to the right what 9-11 conspiracy nuts are to the left.

On Feb. 17, this column stated: “The president enjoys an ongoing distraction that’s more valuable than anything he or his advisers could have contrived.

"While the president pretends to cut spending — telling a whopper about proposing a balanced budget — a chunk of his most-impassioned opponents are trying to find out where he was born. The ‘birther’ conspiracy theorists believe that Obama is a foreigner, who cannot reveal a valid American birth certificate. They’re not satisfied with his ‘certificate of natural birth’ from Hawaii, demanding to see a long-form birth certificate.

“It’s a good bet Obama has what they want, at his fingertips, and will reveal it if and when he needs to. In the meantime, he would be insane to diffuse the black helicopter crowd. It’s the perfect political chaff, drawing the enemy’s rage to the wrong target while Obama has his way with policy. Talk show hosts who could legitimately challenge Obama’s policies — including Colorado’s own Peter Boyles — waste hours, days, weeks and months expressing exasperation at Obama’s refusal to further document his birth. For Obama, it’s the gift that keeps giving. Money could not buy this political advantage.”

Today, the editorial board’s prophesy came true. Obama released his long-form birth certificate and explained that it has kept the eyes of his opponent’s off the ball, providing “sideshows and carnival barkers” to distract from important fiscal policy matters.

White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer said this: “At a time of great consequence for this country — when we should be debating how we win the future, reduce our deficit, deal with high gas prices and bring stability to the Middle East, Washington, DC, was once again distracted by a fake issue.”

In other words, the hand is quicker than the eye and the joke was on you crazies.

Boyles, a high priest in the birther movement, has an enviable place in the mainstream media as host of the prime three hours on Denver’s top radio talk station, KHOW. Day after day for the past two years, when he wasn’t demonizing the infants of illegal immigrants, Boyles questioned the president’s citizenship and demanded to see the long-form birth certificate.

Upon its release, one would have expected Boyles to announce his retirement, or to hang his head low and apologize. But that’s not what happened this morning.

(Vote in poll to the right in red type. Must vote to see results. Thanks!)

Instead, he promised listeners: “This isn’t over.” He desperately reminded his audience that John Mark Carr was presented to the public as the killer of JonBenet Ramsey, and wound up as merely a wannabe, pretend killer. The implication is that Obama’s long-form certificate is not real. He questioned why Obama’s race appears as “African,” explaining that “African” isn’t a race. Let’s see… Was that the work of a minimum wage clerk on the day of Obama’s birth? Or is it a clumsy mistake by one of the growing army of high-level conspirators who invested in putting a foreigner in the White House? Conspiracy theorists will believe the latter, and you heard it here first.

Boyles, who typifies all of the birther conspiracy types, demanded to know why he hasn’t seen Obama’s marriage license, various school records and all sorts of other personal documentation that has nothing to do with the president’s leadership of the country.

“Why now?” Boyles asked, regarding the timing of the release of the long-form certificate.

Well, here’s a theory that’s only slightly conspiratorial. Obama did so today because Donald Trump joined the birther circus this month and expressed his interest in running for president. Trump sent investigators to Hawaii in an effort to find the truth about Obama’s birth. Trump predictably took credit for the president’s release of the certificate, which is the likely reason Obama chose today for the release. It was the apex of the circus. Obama probably wants Trump in the mix, as the ideal carnival barker to distract Republicans from finding a viable candidate. And who could blame him? Shrewd politicians should make the best of the birth certificates life deals them.

The birther conspiracy will not end with the release of the long-form certificate. Boyles and other conspiracy buffs will instantly expand the conspiracy to include bureaucracies and people at the highest levels of government. The sideshow may help keep Obama as ringmaster for another four years.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; freep; freepthispoll; obama; poll; trump
Comments?
1 posted on 04/27/2011 4:53:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These people are to the right what 9-11 conspiracy nuts are to the left.

Actually, no. The 9-11 conspiracy nuts never had any real evidence on which to base their nutty beliefs. The eligibility skeptics had plenty of reason to suspect something was wrong when Obama delayed for THREE YEARS before finally dragging out a long-form birth certificate.

2 posted on 04/27/2011 4:56:45 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There’s no reason for birthers to apologize for wanting to see the long form birth certificate. However, now that that’s released, it’s time for them to concentrate on the larger issue: we have a Marxist for a president!


3 posted on 04/27/2011 4:57:09 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Coming soon! DADT...for Christians.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Obama’s long-form birth certificate real? Yes, it’s the real deal

32%

No, it is probably forged

53%

Don’t know

6%

Don’t care

9%

Total Votes: 1593


4 posted on 04/27/2011 4:57:52 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Send in the clown.


5 posted on 04/27/2011 5:01:37 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: dynachrome

53 percent


6 posted on 04/27/2011 5:02:48 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The town is conservative the newspaper is not.


7 posted on 04/27/2011 5:04:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just goes to prove the “American” people don’t believe anything coming out of Barry’s mouth.
He is a scam artist in the nth degree.


8 posted on 04/27/2011 5:07:12 PM PDT by IceAge
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is Obama's long-form birth certificate real?
Yes, it's the real deal
31%
No, it is probably forged
54%
Don't know
6%
Don't care
9%
Total Votes: 1628

9 posted on 04/27/2011 5:07:54 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; george76; beaversmom; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; ...
Poll and an attack on Peter Boyles, the best talkshow host in the Denver area(KHOW.com) Thanks, George76!

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10 posted on 04/27/2011 5:08:31 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Reagan Man

Clown beats Joker.


11 posted on 04/27/2011 5:08:36 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: IceAge
Just goes to prove the “American” people don’t believe anything coming out of Barry’s mouth. He is a scam artist in the nth degree.

Yup, he has a big credibility problem.

12 posted on 04/27/2011 5:09:41 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Jeff Winston

BUT, regarding 9-11 conspiracies, Rosie O’Donnell said something about how fire doesn’t melt steel, and something didn’t add up with the collapse of the twin towers.

Given Rosie’s strong knowledge and background in physics and engineering, I had no reason to doubt what she said. (sarcasm)


13 posted on 04/27/2011 5:10:19 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SERKIT
Is Africa a race or Continent? On jeopardy I am sure if you answered race you would get the answer wrong.
14 posted on 04/27/2011 5:10:48 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Two years is more than enough time for the C I A to gin up a fake B C.


15 posted on 04/27/2011 5:16:20 PM PDT by reg45
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To: SERKIT

More like...

... joker trumps clown.


16 posted on 04/27/2011 5:16:58 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; dynachrome

Yes, it’s the real deal. I always drink the kool-aid.
31%

No, it is probably forged, and we’re going to prove it.
54%

Huh?
6%

Dude! Wut?
9%

Total Votes: 1675


17 posted on 04/27/2011 5:22:49 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Its unfortunate, but given his track record and attitude of “I know best what is good for you” I tend to suspect anything that he does or says as not being completely truthful.


18 posted on 04/27/2011 5:25:52 PM PDT by Enten (How's that hopey changey thing working out for you?)
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To: TheOldLady

Good to “see” you are feeling better!


19 posted on 04/27/2011 5:26:28 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Red Steel

Is Obama’s long-form birth certificate real?
Yes, it’s the real deal
31%
No, it is probably forged
54%
Don’t know
6%
Don’t care
9%
Total Votes: 1689


20 posted on 04/27/2011 5:26:51 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So who did he “release” it to ? What forensic analysis has it been subjected to ? Who authenticated it ?

If a birth certificate had been produced before he had the power of the President’s office and the CIA to create a forgery, it might not have needed to be rigorously authenticated. At this point in time, an unauthenticated document is meaningless.

In the meanwhile, he has been forced into claiming it is authentic, and thereby confirming the assumption that a Kenyan national was his father. He is therefor ineligible to be POTUS and should be impeached immediately.


21 posted on 04/27/2011 5:29:24 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: dynachrome

Thank you, Darlin’.


22 posted on 04/27/2011 5:30:44 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Kellis91789

Page 1 of the certificate looks like an IBM Selectric Ball was used. The IBM Selectric was introduced to the world on July 31, 1961. How did Hawaii have time to order and receive it in the middle of the Pacific Ocean 5 days later? I would think that the requisition in any State office would take more than 90 days.

Do I smell an odor here?


23 posted on 04/27/2011 5:33:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Is Obama’s long-form birth certificate real?
Yes, it’s the real deal
31%
No, it is probably forged
55%
Don’t know
6%
Don’t care
9%
Total Votes: 1719

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/president-117001-failing-certificate.html#ixzz1KlzBgbHv


24 posted on 04/27/2011 5:35:46 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Obama’s long-form birth certificate real?

Yes, it’s the real deal
31%

No, it is probably forged
55%

Don’t know
6%

Don’t care
9%

Total Votes: 1717


25 posted on 04/27/2011 5:35:59 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: Munz

Bottom line: people do not trust this Kenyan Clown.

And rightfully so.


26 posted on 04/27/2011 5:39:03 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You can fool some of the people...


27 posted on 04/27/2011 5:45:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is the typeface the same as on the Nordyke LFBC ? I can’t find an image of it that is good enough to compare.


28 posted on 04/27/2011 6:12:34 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: editor-surveyor
When the signature of the Registar is

U...K...L....Lee

Don Ho is enjoying his evening....

29 posted on 04/27/2011 6:14:45 PM PDT by sternup
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

YOUR VIEW
Is Obama’s long-form birth certificate real?
Yes, it’s the real deal 30%
No, it is probably forged 56%
Don’t know 5%
Don’t care 9%
Total Votes: 1824


30 posted on 04/27/2011 6:33:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Bottom line is ... why did he release it now??

Afraid of Trump?
trying to get Wisconsin not to pass their legislation?
Too many questions?

IMO this is a last ditch effort on his part to regain some semblance of legitimacy. Then he runs away calling it nonsense, he doesn’t want to discuss it now.

But there was NO reason to hide it all this time .. except for the fact that it certainly proves he is not a natural born citizen by definition. The media won’t cover that though .. they have persuaded everyone that the issue was birth place .. not his parentage.

Too bad that they don’t apply rules to democrats as they do republicans. McCain was only considered a natural born citizen because his parents were american citizens .. Obama can not say the same.


31 posted on 04/27/2011 6:47:34 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is no certificate of “Native Birth”....another scheming maneuver.....


32 posted on 04/27/2011 7:31:36 PM PDT by Shamrock-DW
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To: Shamrock-DW
There is no certificate of “Native Birth”....another scheming maneuver.....

Is that for Native Americans?

I don't believe I have a certificate of "Native Birth"

33 posted on 04/27/2011 7:37:44 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Shamrock-DW
There is no certificate of “Native Birth”....another scheming maneuver.....

Is that for Native Americans?

I don't believe I have a certificate of "Native Birth"

34 posted on 04/27/2011 7:37:47 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: dynachrome
Yes, it's the real deal 31%

No, it is probably forged 55%

Don't know 5%

Don't care 9%

Total Votes: 1946

(hope they're pulling their hair out over these results at the Gazzette...snicker snicker...) :~D

35 posted on 04/27/2011 8:35:46 PM PDT by Ros42
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Before today, according to MSM reporters and pundits there was only one type of birth certificate, and Obama had already produced a copy. Now, it turns out that the fantasy "long form" that those crazy birthers kept demanding is (1) a real document, and (2) different from the short form! What a shock that must be to the MSM-misinformed public.

The MSM has repeatedly assured us that Hawaii could not release any of Obama's birth documents except the short form. Privacy concerns, you understand. Protecting the public. Yet now we learn that the only thing preventing the release of Barack Obama's long form birth certificate was Barack Obama. Governor Neil Abercrombie could not release a copy of Obama's long form because Obama did not consent to it. For some reason the MSM never covered that story.

Dr. Terrence Lakin was court-martialed, dismissed from the Army, and sentenced to six months in prison, all because Barack Obama refused to confirm his legitimacy to hold office. Lakin's lawyers requested Obama's birth documents last September. Why didn't Obama release his long form at that time? Obama flushed Dr. Lakin down the toilet, apparently for no good reason at all. Every American should know what Obama did to Lakin.

As for the birthers who suspect that the released long form is a forgery, at this ridiculously late date such suspicions seem reasonable. When will document experts be permitted to examine the original form?

My guess is that the long form is legitimate, and that Obama's failure to release it until now shows his arrogance and his indifference to the legitimate concerns of the American public.

36 posted on 04/27/2011 9:04:32 PM PDT by TChad
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To: Jeff Winston
"Actually, no. The 9-11 conspiracy nuts never had any real evidence on which to base their nutty beliefs. The eligibility skeptics had plenty of reason to suspect something was wrong when Obama delayed for THREE YEARS before finally dragging out a long-form birth certificate."

No, he did not. All he dragged out was yet another "Certification Of Live Birth," although this one was differently filled out... pretty much admitting that the previous one was a fake as well.

Where is the "footprint?" The "baby's weight and length?" Actual "long form birth certificates" have all these things, and were certainly standardized to include them by the 1960's.

Yet another poorly executed hoax by Quisling O'Bunghole.

;-\

37 posted on 04/27/2011 9:43:52 PM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Obama’s long-form birth certificate real?
Yes, it’s the real deal 31%
No, it is probably forged 55%
Don’t know 5%
Don’t care 9%
Total Votes: 2012
This is the newspaper I read every morning.


38 posted on 04/27/2011 9:47:51 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: Colorado Cowgirl

My condolences.


39 posted on 04/27/2011 9:56:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. TR)
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To: Gargantua
No, he did not. All he dragged out was yet another "Certification Of Live Birth," although this one was differently filled out... pretty much admitting that the previous one was a fake as well.

Where is the "footprint?" The "baby's weight and length?" Actual "long form birth certificates" have all these things, and were certainly standardized to include them by the 1960's.

None of these things are present on Susan Elizabeth Nordyke's birth certificate.

40 posted on 04/27/2011 10:11:33 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We could use a lot more of Joseph Farah, Ann Coulter, Thomas Sowell, Cal Thomas, Walter Williams and our own Michelle Malkin. Instead of the nit-wits from Chicago, Fresno, and any apologist for Odumbo. Thanks, for your condolences.


41 posted on 04/27/2011 10:16:52 PM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: dynachrome

Thanks for the ping—voted. Voted that the BC is the 100% real deal! Ha,, ha—not really. The guy is phonier than a $3 bill and as transparent as cellophane.


42 posted on 04/28/2011 6:56:37 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Obama’s long-form birth certificate real?
Yes, it’s the real deal 31%
No, it is probably forged 56%
Don’t know 5%
Don’t care 9%
Total Votes: 2643

ANYTHING coming out of this White House is probably forged and false. Especially when the man behind the podium is ALWAYS lying.


43 posted on 04/28/2011 10:08:01 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Jobs? Nope! Economy? Nope! Disarm the U.S? Yep! Impeach the treasonous Marxist Muslim usurper bast)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Taking out the don’t know/don’t care votes (why do these people even participate in the poll?) it’s running 2 to 1 that the LFBC is fake. Good size N too (over 3100). Thanks for the ping.


44 posted on 04/28/2011 3:59:49 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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