Posted on 05/24/2011 3:21:39 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
Anyone have legal comments on this latest Orly effort? TO: Loretta Fuddy, Director of Health, HI Health Department YOU ARE COMMANDED to appear (for deposition) at 1250 Punchbowl str, room 325, Honolulu HI 96813 (on) 6/27/2011 10:00 am YOU ARE COMMANDED to produce and permit inspection and copying of…Original 1961 typewritten birth certificate # 10641 for Barack Hussein Obama II, issued 08.08.1961, signed by Dr. David A. Sinclair, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and registrar Lee, stored in the Health Department of the state of HI from 08.08.1961 until now
How do the old signatures end up on new abstract????
“True and correct copy”
According to the official certification stamp on the White House certificate the certificate is a “TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF THE RECORD ON FILE”.
The wording of the official certification stamp on the Nordyke twin’s long form certificates certifies that those certificates are “TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE”
Good question. If legit, by cut and paste of a digital image.
OK Carp. Then what happens?
(1) First the FBI has to decide if they think there is a cause for a criminal complaint.
(2)Then they can decide to investigate it, or not.
(3)Then, if they decide there may have been criminal activity, they have to get a warrant from a Federal prosecutor, showing cause
(4)Then the Federal prosecutor has to charge, or not, whomever they arrest.
I am all for harassing the hell out of Team Obama, however there is a large grey area here in that the WH got the whatever that was from the HIDOH. If it's a bad doc, "Well then Judge, Leroy done it." is at least a possible claim!
Best of Luck to Dr. Jerry! Whatever he does has great value in questioning the anti-POTUS' credibility. But, let's not imagine that the fellow is going to be carried from the WH in chains. Ain't gonna happen.
Simple. Scanned, digitized, and pasted in the newly created document.
I hear you, but you and I have seen this sort of situation play out before with Nixon.
IMO, the most likely replay is that when the posse is closing in (that would be the court of public opinion) the de facto president resigns and then gets a full pardon from Biden to spare a large portion of the public the trauma of seeing the precious one in the dock and realizing how stupid they were!
Grand juries are meant for such cases, not special prosecutors.
Can you honest to God imagine Nancy, Harry, Barney, Barbara Boxer, and Joe Biden, telling the Mombasa Moonbeam to get outa Dodge?
....that would be the court of public opinion ...
OK. No more negative thoughts from me! Go Team!
Can you honest to God imagine Nancy, Harry, Barney, Barbara Boxer, and Joe Biden, telling the Mombasa Moonbeam to get outa Dodge?
....that would be the court of public opinion ...
OK. No more negative thoughts from me! Go Team!
Actually, yes...if the Tsunami of “chickens coming home to roost” on Obama continues at the present pace!
Just today Harry Reid rebuked Obama over his Israel stance and the entire Congress gave dozens of standing ovations to Bibi as he rebuked Obama.
Obama looks terrible. US economy, housing and stocks rolling over into double dip, IMO.
Democrats have to wonder whether they can save the presidency. Ginsberg won't likely make it through the next four years.
Dems only have until end of year to have a reasonable primary to select who will run in 2012 if they want to dump Obama. Hey, a guy can dream, right?
Simple. Scanned, digitized, and pasted in the newly created document.
Soooo.... I can scan anybody's signature and paste it on document, check, and present it as "copy" of whatever????
I thought that signature signifies the original that is was signed on, or then true copy of whole document, not "constructed" paper joke....
I have a big one down at 11-1 with Ladbrooke that the Mombasa Moonbeam ain't gonna run. I have always thought the hand-off would go to Hillary on the naked reverse with a pump fake.
The Soros deal (IMHBOWO) was to let the silly fool take the heat and do some heavy lifting and then sneak in Hillary, i.e., a smarter commie, to consolidate the gains.
They are not saying it is a true copy, they are saying "True copy OR Abstract." If it were a "True Copy, it would say "True Copy," as in the Nordyke Twins' (lovely girls) paperwork.
I can scan anybody's signature and paste it on document, check, and present it as "copy" of whatever??
If you're "abstracting," Yes. But that is not a "copy." An abstract is a new document. If you are making a true copy, "Yes," but it has to be notarized as a true copy of an original. Once again, an abstract is not a copy. A copy is a copy. Capeesh?
What the WH (clever devils) did was make a copy of the abstract ... it is not a copy of the original document, that elusive LFBC. Then, they just let everyone assume that they were releasing a copy of the long form BC. They used the correct term "abstract" one time on day one. After that they just called it a "copy." Then everyone took it from there! Frickin' brilliant, I calls it!
Please note that despite the chicanery, this document is probably not a fake, or a forgery, at least one that can be laid directly at the WH doorstep. Their defense can easily claim that they copied what the HIDOH gave them!. The document just ain't what the WH led everyone to believe it was.
I hope this is as confusing to you as it is to me. Misery loves company.
At a closing, for example, both parties usually stipulate to an abstract, while a true copy of Title Deed, or a Debenture, must be a Certified and Notarized True Copy. IOW, an Abstract and a True Copy can act in the same way, but are not the same thing.
If this case (whatever the "case" may be) ever makes it to a court room in our life time, you can bet that discovery will demand True Copies and that one or both parties would not accept an Abstract. (IMHBOWO)
Sounds about right!
Unlike Obama, he wasn't a half-bad administrator, either. Stayed in the office. Kept his mouth shut. Got the job done.
The “signature” of Onaka is a signature stamp, not his physical signature and the stamp, curiously, has “TXE” not “THE”.
Corsi said that the digital forgery was ginned up several weeks ago (by Obama’s lawyers in the WH?) and then a cooperative HI official inserted the thing into the BC archive book. Corsi said that his personal operative was able to go into the archive two times. First to verify that the BC wasn't there and then to later verify that all of a sudden it WAS there. That is what Corsi said, and he said this persons life was in danger if he revealed who they were at this point.
Once the forged BC was in the book the charade of sending Obama’s lawyer to HI to witness Onaka opening the archive book to make a copy and use his signature stamp and state seal was performed and two copies produced. One of these was probably shown to the ABC reporter.
When it came time to release a digital image, rather than scan one of the two copies brought back from HI, they just uploaded the digital forgery file “accidentally” revealing how it was constructed from lots of bits and pieces with cuts and pastes. I suspect that the forgery file already had a cut and paste Onaka signature with the "TXE" and a faint seal impression. Was this a screw-up or intentional to keep birthers agitated? I think it was a screw-up.
I didn't ask you to send me to someone to tell me what the difference is between an abstract and a true copy. I asked you whether you considered the Nordyke BCs to be abstracts. Why don't you answer my question.
ML/NJ
The point is that Who House is parading this as a copy of his BC and that’s what average Joe gets: here it is, what you want?
The big question is, why doesn’t Zero show copy of BC that he is supposed to have in his possession, when applying for driver’s license, basketball team, marriage,.....???
Jus’ like everyone has, own wrinkled, old creased copy of real thing, not a copy of made up to order forgery!!!
I agree.
There is enough legalese in that disclaimer to drive a bus through.
It may be a true copy, or it may be an abstract. It representational data....of what we are not certain, but it probably threads the legal needle barely.
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