Skip to comments."Secession withdraws the State out of the reach of the usurped powers" - Abel P. Upshur
Posted on 06/28/2012 8:13:14 PM PDT by Idabilly
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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I no longer want anything to do with this sick country.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Didn’t we already try the secession thing? Didn’t wind up too good.
I’ve been ready since 1992.
Quotes of Jefferson Davis
“The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a ‘rebellion’ is a gross abuse of language.”
“Obstacles may retard, but they cannot long prevent the progress of a movement sanctified by its justice, and sustained by a virtuous people .”
“Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever.”
“The contest is not over, the strife is not ended. It has only entered upon a new and enlarged arena.” Jefferson Davis, address to the Mississippi legislature - 16 years after the wars end.
“The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.”
The problem is that unlike the old South, where there was a thoroughly Southern identity, no such state exists today. Being generous, you might find a state where secession enjoys support from 60% of the population. Secession simply isn’t possible when 4 out of every 10 people are against it. The type of majority that would be needed does not exist.
President Davis CSA
Secession is a slow moldering burn that last a long time. Then all of a sudden it flares up like wildfire when the yoke is thrown off and freedom is felt cursing through rebel veins. You are alive for the first time.
Listen to central_va, Melas, as (s?)he is correct. Prior to the start of the war, only about 25% of the populations of the Southern states were pro-secession IIRC. Once the initial fighting began, and the people saw what was at stake, in real world terms, the south was galvanized against the murderous tyranny. Things happen at an exponential rate. At first it seems the smoldering so slow that nothing is happening, then there’s the fire.
The Constitution has been on life support shortly after it was enacted. Today it was pronounced dead. Our founders would have seceded long ago. They fought one hell of a war for less.
"We must have patience and longer endurance then with our brethren while under delusion; give them time for reflection and experience of consequences; keep ourselves in a situation to profit by the chapter of accidents; and separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation." Thomas Jefferson
"When a government is founded upon the voluntary consent, and agreement of a people uniting themselves together for their common benefit, the people, or nation, collectively taken, is free, although the administration of the government should happen to be oppressive, and to a certain degree, even tyrannical; since it is in the power of the people to alter, or abolish it, whenever they shall think proper; and to institute such new government as may seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. But if the government be founded in fear, constraint, or force, although the administration should happen to be mild, the people, being deprived of the sovereignty, are reduced to a state of civil slavery. Should the administration, in this case, become tyrannical, they are without redress. Submission, punishment, or a successful revolt, are the only alternatives. http://www.constitution.org/tb/t1b.htm
How would you know one feels alive for the first time? You've never lived through a secession. If might state were to attempt secession, I would work against it in every possible way. I'm an American, born and bred. State citizenship is a grace period before I have to get a new drivers license.
The republic is dead in you. You are dead inside politically. Try to get the concept that this current situation is all an unsustainable illusion, FedGov power is fictitious. It is 535 fools running around a 60 square mile swamp pretending to know what they are doing. All politics and loyalties are local. Try to think out of the box. With a simple vote any state can leave crazytown anytime they want to if they are willing to take a chance.
No, I'm just not one of those people who's lived his life within 50 miles of his birth. Which was the norm at the turn of the 20th century btw. By the turn of the 21st century, those people were an ever shrinking minority.
I've lived in seven states so far, and may live in seven more before my life is over.
What did Fedgov ever do for you except steal your money?
You forget, sir, that you are a "Obamanos" and Idaho is a Conservative State. If you bless my State with one of your Union-restoring excursions you're going to find one big boot up your ass....
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