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Do You Want Guns in Schools? The NRA Does
BlogHer ^ | December 21, 2012 | Grace Hwang Lynch, News and Politics Editor

Posted on 12/21/2012 3:28:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

After a week of what was thought to be respectful, even remorseful, silence on the Sandy Hook Elementary School mass shootings, the NRA took to the podium this morning, with… shall we say, both barrels blazing. National Rifle Association leader Wayne LaPierre addressed the media in Washington D.C. with the message that the only way to keep our children safe is to put armed security guards in schools. From the press conference transcript:

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

(VIDEO AT LINK)

It’s an old message gun advocates have stuck by after mass shootings as far back as the Jewish Community Center day camp killings in 1999. But even armed officers at schools can't always stop gunmen bent on destruction. As Daily Kos reports, there was an armed deputy onsite at Columbine High School, and yet he was not able to stop Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold from opening fire on their classmates.

Polls show that public sentiment has swayed in the past week toward greater restrictions on gun sales, and while the NRA briefing was taking place in the capitol, another gunman went on a shooting spree in Pennsylvania, killing four people -- including a woman decorating a church for a children's Christmas party.

But LaPierre’s words made it clear that for a certain segment of America, the deaths of 26 little kids and teachers is not a rallying cry for unity and reform of gun laws, but rather an incident that’s making them dig their heels in the sand even more.

LaPierre insinuated that others tried to “exploit tragedy for political gain” and that President Obama had not done enough to protect schools. Violence, he insists, is the result of violent video games...

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KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gungrabbers; nra; obama; secondamendment
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There are thousands of gun laws already on the books. Didn't stop that 20 year old, did they?
1 posted on 12/21/2012 3:28:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I just had a vision of TSA in every school.


2 posted on 12/21/2012 3:32:38 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The question should be, Do you want someone coming into our schools with a gun and killing kids because there was no one there with a gun to stop them?


3 posted on 12/21/2012 3:33:56 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: maine yankee
"I just had a vision of TSA in every school."

More union government workers! It's inevitable. Good call.

4 posted on 12/21/2012 3:36:03 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, clearly the NRA thinks we should leave guns laying around in schools like Easter eggs.

These leftist fools better get it straight. They can’t have’em! Got it! YOU CAN NOT HAVE THE GUNS!


5 posted on 12/21/2012 3:36:24 PM PST by The Toll
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More to the point:

“Do you want dead babies in schools? The NRA doesn’t.”


6 posted on 12/21/2012 3:36:34 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Gun free zones are baited fields.")
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To: maine yankee

Just a simple question, If they had trained, armed school personnel at Sandy Hook do believe there would have been more or less deaths? I myself believe there would have been less.


7 posted on 12/21/2012 3:40:43 PM PST by Mastador1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would like to have a gun when I am at work- legally there, with option to either open or concealed carry. Throwing myself in front of my students to save them would be heroic but stupid. I want the option of tackling this problem, should it arise, in a way befitting a man- armed, and willing to fight. I doubt it happens, but maybe logic would prevail.


8 posted on 12/21/2012 3:42:34 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In Israel they don’t question the need for guns in the schools. They do it for their children because there are terrorist who want to kill them.


9 posted on 12/21/2012 3:45:09 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: GenXteacher

Brian Williams of NBC News couldn’t wait to slobber over this news.


10 posted on 12/21/2012 3:46:33 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When I was a boy growing up in the wilderness of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in the 1950s, we often carried our .22s on the bus and stuck them in the corner of the “cloak room” so we could shoot ground hogs after school. I don’t remember any mass killings although the teachers would beat the tar out of you for misbehaving in class!


11 posted on 12/21/2012 3:47:41 PM PST by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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To: The Toll
"Yes, clearly the NRA thinks we should leave guns laying around in schools like Easter eggs.

No! The guns should be holstered like this:

Now why do you suppose the Israelis have to do this?

12 posted on 12/21/2012 3:50:57 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Seems if the schools decide that an armed trained law enforcement officer is in every school they should be able to do it.

We have armed officers in

Banks and Credit Unions
Sports Stadiums
Court Houses
Hospitals
City and County buildings
Governmental meetings
Airports
Subways
Bus stations

People with common sense have offered free coffee or pizza to law enforcement not so much to obtain favor but because coffee consuming cops reduce potential crime be just being around.

Some jurisdictions park marked cars on roads where speed may be a problem and just the car acts as a reminder to slow down.

Community policing activities would be enhanced with a police officer in the school. In a few years the younger students may develop a trust in law enforcement that I've seen eroded away in my life time.

Maybe a cop in the school could reduce the sale or use of drugs.

I find it difficult to understand how some would think an elementary school child would and could overpower a trained officer, take their weapon and cause mayhem in the school. If that is such a big problem seems the long list of losers who have shot up schools should have been easy work for the children. The shooters were outnumbered and Not trained.

So educators is it about safety or is it about an agenda?

President Obama spoke of trying anything.

Officers in schools sounds like something that could be implemented by the time school restarts in January.

13 posted on 12/21/2012 3:51:46 PM PST by Deepest South
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To: maine yankee

I’d rather see local solutions. Let the individual districts choose to turn their children into prey animals.


14 posted on 12/21/2012 3:52:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Big_Harry

Here in southern Michigan we couldn’t carry them on the bus in the 80s but if we drove they could stay in our cars or if a parent brought us they had to stay in the principal’s office.


15 posted on 12/21/2012 3:55:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GenXteacher

And therein lies the crux of the matter. Common sense dictates a response to violence in an appropriate manner to be determined by the threat perceived by the intended victim. Yet we allow others to determine whether we may even offer a response other than the cry of a bleating sheep at the slaughter. Your employer dictates your working conditions. If they do not provide what you believe is a sufficient level of safety at the workplace to adequately eliminate threats find a new line of work or demand the ability to provide for your own safety. Of course you could always provide for yourself without their knowledge and risk incarceration. See how complicated things become when we allow others to dictate what we may or may not do to provide for our own well being? RKBA You have it or you don’t. There is no middle ground. The only question to my mind is what you will do when the powers that be deny you weapons with which to defend yourself in your home or anywhere else without their specific approval? Believe me when I say that the powers that be really could care less what you do or do not like. They know best. Just ask them.


16 posted on 12/21/2012 3:58:09 PM PST by chulaivn66 (Semper Fidelis in Extremis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why don’t we just make against the law to kill people?


17 posted on 12/21/2012 4:02:37 PM PST by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: Deepest South
President Obama spoke of trying anything.

President Obama has a history of feigning openness to other ideas when he had absolutely no intention of doing anything other that what he already had in mind.

It's just PR.

(actually it's BS)

18 posted on 12/21/2012 4:04:04 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

TSA (& maybe DHS) needs to be disbanded. They are as far over the top as the commies. Considering Janet Napolitano- they *are* the commies, at least as of now.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but have there been *any* shooting sprees that did not occur in “Gun Free Zones”?

Laws “do not apply” to either criminals or the criminally insane.

YES, I want principals/ teachers/ security officers heavily armed (”assault weapons” for security personnel & sidearms for the others) AND our schools need 1 way locks on EVERY door. I’m not sure it wouldn’t be a good idea to gate schools with a guard posted, the same way many business, apartment complexes, & subdivisions are.

And for goodness sakes, no signs that say “Sitting Ducks. Have at us”.


19 posted on 12/21/2012 4:04:56 PM PST by KGeorge (- Proud member of "Nazis" for Newt /Sarcasm)
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To: Deepest South

You also have them in high-end jewelry stores casinos, and certain pawn shops!

But schools? THAT”S NUTS!!!!!


20 posted on 12/21/2012 4:04:56 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

YES!! Kids used to take them to school all the time like a soccerball, basketball, football, baseball and bats, etc... Then the pc media started to call guns evil instead of the calling the lunatics who shoot unarmed kids evil. Which is where we are today.


21 posted on 12/21/2012 4:09:36 PM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is REALITY. A hundred years ago, my great grandfather was a lightkeeper on the shores of the Tennessee River. There were rough sorts along the river. He faced reality and carried his Smith & Wesson pistol; he left the pistol to his son, who left it to my father, who left it to my son at his death. - This is REALITY. Dissolving in a blubbering heap will not change REALITY; no matter how bad Obama wants it and decrees it. - Right now, Barack & Michelle have escaped to the fantasyland of Hawaii. The rest of us have to live in REALITY; and REALITY is that most of us can’t afford escaping to fantasyland.


22 posted on 12/21/2012 4:10:00 PM PST by Twinkie (The WICKED walk on every side when EVIL men are exalted. Psalm 12:8)
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To: maine yankee

EXACTLY! A lot of people here seem to have a cognitive disconnect when it come to this.

My thought’s on this were exactly this.

We need the 2nd Amendment to protect us from an out of control Government.

Let’s hire 100,000 more Government agents and arm them.

Maybe we can just turn it over to the TSA.


23 posted on 12/21/2012 4:14:39 PM PST by SubGeniusX (Rule #34...No Exceptions.)
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To: US_MilitaryRules
YES!! Kids used to take them to school all the time like a soccerball, basketball, football, baseball and bats, etc...
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The attack on the Second Amendment began when liberals determined that American guns stood between them and their objective of totalitarianism. That explains it all.

24 posted on 12/21/2012 4:32:37 PM PST by iontheball
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To: maine yankee

When I was a kid in elementary school, back in the 40s, every boy in the school who was older than about seven had a pocket knife. And we used to play with them in the schoolyard during recess. Mumbledepeg and the like.

We had bullies back then, but they used their fists, not knives. I think it was understood, without discussion, that fists, or maybe knees, or a head-butt, or a half nelson, were as far as it should go.

We often used to practice throwing knives during recess, and none of the teachers every said anything that I can remember.


25 posted on 12/21/2012 4:33:23 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They have a better chance of stopping a shooter with an armed officer present than with an armed officer that is enroute.

This is just basic common sense.


26 posted on 12/21/2012 4:35:16 PM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Despite the heated rhetoric on this subject, two things should be evident to any reasonable person. First, all gun are not going to be taken out of the hands of the general population and second, all potential mass murderers are not going to be identified and institutionalized.

Since all schools are not the same, it is unlikely that any one remedy would be appropriate. With some of the larger, more troubled upper grade level schools, a certified police presence might be appropriate as there are often more need for them than just the possibility of an armed intruder. For the smaller and more disciplined schools as well as the elementary and kindergarten schools, a certified police presence is an unnecessary and costly option. For these schools, I would suggest something along the following lines:

Have the school purchase a number of moderate caliber rifles that are more accurate and easily controlled than handguns and an equal number of gun safes. Take volunteers from the school staff and after appropriate background checks and firearm training, install a gun safe with rifle in selected classrooms or offices. As an incentive, pay the teacher or administrator a small stipend to keep up their proficiency. Publicize the fact that there is always an armed presence in the school.

Since the likelihood of an incident in a given school is so small, a modest approach such as this would serve as a deterrent to the potential killer looking for an easy target while imposing minimal cost and disruption to the school environment.


27 posted on 12/21/2012 4:36:54 PM PST by etcb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Two questions:

Where and how many mass murders have occurred in other than gun free zones.

I don’t know of any.

Second: When did the shooting and killing stop at these mass murders?

The answer to the second question is that the shooting only stopped when one or more good guys showed up with GUNS.

Tht is not a theory, it is a fact well documented.

That should tell even the most dense flaming liberal that the answer to the school problem is guns in the school.

Personally, I like the idea of concealed carry. That would really worry anyone who had mayhem in mind because he would never know who would be the first to shoot him.


28 posted on 12/21/2012 4:55:17 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

***the deaths of 26 little kids and teachers is not a rallying cry for unity and reform of gun laws,***

That is because after fifty years we know that it is not safety the ani-gunners want, it is control over the lives of the unprotected which will be you and me.


29 posted on 12/21/2012 5:01:53 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We strip-search grannies getting on an airplane in a wheelchair, where no granny has ever hijacked a plane with an assault rifle. Yet that’s to be expected. LaPierre was advocating a single armed guard at each school . . . hardly as intrusive as a TSA groping.


30 posted on 12/21/2012 5:07:33 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: maine yankee
TSA in every school.

Somehow the description of a "Unionized Federal Employee guarding children in a school" somehow just doesn't give me great confidence. Plus the fact there would be 6 administrators for each on-site person.

31 posted on 12/21/2012 5:10:50 PM PST by radioone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Might as well bring back Prohibition, too, that worked out so well...


32 posted on 12/21/2012 5:14:11 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: radioone

Plus the gummit always wants to spend millions to do something they could get done not for free, but for profit.

Rather than pay hundreds of millions to protect all of the schools, they could get the job done for free by letting those who want to carry, carry in the schools.

That would lead to more CCW’s, which of course carry with them a fee to the local county....so instead of an unbearable cost, the county would have an income.

More gummit stupidity.


33 posted on 12/21/2012 5:17:03 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: SubGeniusX

Local law enforcement would be good.


34 posted on 12/21/2012 5:45:53 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And if I heard right, LaPierre pointed out that Obama had twice vetoed or cut school security. Why is that not issue number 1 ! Al Qeada terrorist have overrun a chlorine gas factory in Syria that also produces other toxic gases. They just today launched a three prong attack on the main Syrian military base located SE of Aleppo. That base has Scud’s and more accurate missiles ready to launch. Not to mention it was/is a base that stores actual WMD munitions. We potentially have some very bad stuff heading our way and we need to vastly increase security at all public meeting facilities. The first places affected will probably be Israel, Jordan and Egypt. But the WMD attacks could spread from there relatively quickly if they are successful.


35 posted on 12/21/2012 5:47:39 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: maine yankee

You wrote: “I just had a vision of TSA in every school.”

That’s a stupid comment.

I grew up in Boston’s Charlestown Neighborhood and remember Boston’s Finest on patrol. As teens we didn’t necessarily like them when they told us to “Move it!” or “Screw!” from the corner at which we were hanging out... but we respected them and did what we were told.

Do you think that just maybe having a policeman on deck at a school might: 1. Provide some protection from the sick f___k sticks that are killing our kids and, 2. Might help kids understand that police are actually on their side and not the bogeymen that liberals mostly portray them to be?

Just asking.


36 posted on 12/21/2012 5:49:16 PM PST by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: Joe Marine 76

You wrote: “I just had a vision of TSA in every school.”

That’s a stupid comment.


No, it is not stupid.

Because if the feds do it, it will be another TSA.

It must be a locally controlled system, whatever it is.


37 posted on 12/21/2012 6:43:48 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

I never said a “federal agent” should be on deck at the school. I said “policeman” .... as in local cop. We have them at our county schools now.


38 posted on 12/21/2012 7:15:35 PM PST by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: Big_Harry

until the 1980’s rifle clubs and teams a varsity sport were common in high schools...both boys and girls participated


39 posted on 12/21/2012 7:27:50 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: FreeReign

Many communities have volunteer fire fighters, why not have volunteer guards from retired police or military from the community? The guards don’t even have to show the weapon, it could be kept concealed.


40 posted on 12/21/2012 8:28:21 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: jonrick46
Or slung like this Image and video hosting by TinyPic
41 posted on 12/21/2012 8:37:01 PM PST by MtnMan101
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To: cradle of freedom

Many communities have volunteer fire fighters, why not have volunteer guards from retired police or military from the community? The guards don’t even have to show the weapon, it could be kept concealed.


You can’t do that!!

How could the gummit spend millions, which always turns out to be billions, and Janet Nepolitano show her expertise?

If the feds get involved, it will be Homeland Security. We sure don’t want that.

But you do have a good common sense idea. Too bad that common sense is totally unacceptable today.


42 posted on 12/21/2012 8:38:46 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Do You Want Guns in Schools? The NRA Does...

We already have guns in our schools, moron! Whether we want them or not.
Just ask the 26 families from the Sandy Hook School.

I just have to roll my eyes wondering what this Mensa member would be hysterical about banning, had the killer used an assault kitchen knife; an assault machete, an assault axe, an assault brick...

43 posted on 12/21/2012 8:53:03 PM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: old curmudgeon

Yep, common sense is seen as subversive these days.


44 posted on 12/21/2012 9:22:31 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: MtnMan101

I love that picture, I hope you post it all over the internet.

This picture would reach a large portion of the public who are most likely to be afraid of guns, the female citizens. This picture goes against the liberal antigun sterotypes because it shows a young mother casually carrying a rifle on her shoulder with many young children around her not being at all intimidated by the gun.

The liberal half of America needs to see lots of this kind of picture to conteract the liberal media propaganda. Check on Michael Savage, on page two there is a picture of him and his friends when they were part of their highschool rifle team. They are all carrying rifles to school, none of them went crazy and shot anyone.


45 posted on 12/21/2012 9:29:51 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: etcb

A couple of easy ways to make schools safer would be to replace the glass doors with metal doors. I believe that the killer shot out the glass doors and forced his way in. Another simple safety proceedure would be to have locks on every school room door.


46 posted on 12/21/2012 9:34:52 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Do You Want Guns in Schools?

Better than dead children which is what liberals wanted.

"We get to push our agenda! We get to push our agenda."

47 posted on 12/21/2012 9:58:23 PM PST by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

H*ll yes, I want guns in the hands of the good guys to stop the bad guys. If these brain dead stupid libs think gun free zones are so great, then I demand equality. Start with Congress and declare them gun free, and send the security guards home.

Seriously, how long will it be before the terrorists have a 9/11 attack on our nation’s schools? They do it in other countries all the time.

It is way past time to take security of schools seriously and quit letting our children be sitting ducks.


48 posted on 12/21/2012 10:08:03 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Mastador1

If guns are so bad in schools, why do they call on police to come with guns once a shooting incident occurs? Won’t more guns make the situation worse?


49 posted on 12/21/2012 10:23:58 PM PST by Bob
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To: Bob

I can’t help but believe that if we had armed protectors in the schools even the mentally unbalanced would think twice before attempting a assault. It is always thought provoking when you don’t know who is carrying and who isn’t.


50 posted on 12/22/2012 10:14:26 AM PST by Mastador1
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