Posted on 01/28/2005 6:45:05 AM PST by blackminorcapullets
"I would be very surprised if Golitsyn's books are available (especially so if they are widely available) in Russian book stores. As you know, I believe Golitsyn's analysis re: the phony "collapse" of Communist structures is correct. As such, I highly doubt the semi-hidden Communist structures in the "former" Soviet Union would appreciate Golitsyn's books floating around. I would be curious to find out what the reaction of Russia's publishing houses would be to the idea of publishing Golitsyn's 1984 book "New Lies For Old." Several publishing houses in the US have bootlegged (republished) the book because the original publisher, Dodd-Mead, went out of business...and Golitsyn doesn't say anything because he is still under deep cover. Yep, perhaps that's the best way to resolve the matter. Let's see if it's possible to publish and distribute "New Lies For Old" in Russia!!! Even better, let's have it translated into Russian!!! Are you on board? Could be a lot of money in it for YOU. And if you and Koba are correct, there shouldn't be any reprocussions--TTS"
If Golitsyn is still under deep cover, then why is he surfacing from time-to-time to publish? Surely he understands that people in the media/publishing world have no scruples and would sell him out. Keep buying his spy vs. spy bs. At least you can keep his paychecks coming. Why should we translate a manuscript that was written in Russian and translated into English (which also widened the circle of people who could trace where this deep cover guy is).
Here's a smattering of what's currently on sale in Moscow:
Andropov and the KGB
The KGB in France
The KGB in Japan
The KGB in a Tuxedo (A series of books, covering a variety of subjects, to include swallows)
A General from the KGB Elite
The KGB and Authority (Meaning the executive branch)
The Main Enemy (In Russian – this is the Bearden book I ref’d earlier)
The KGB and the CIA
The KGB in England
The KGB in the UN
The KGB vs. MI-6
The KGB vs. the Soviet Mafia (ok, this one is a bit self-serving)
The KGB. Chairmen of the Security Services. (Mlechin – a neighbor of mine)
The KGB Today (John Barron – in Russian)
The KGB. A History of Overseas Operations from Lenin to Gorbachev (Gordievsky – in Russian)
The KGB. “Ordered to Liquidate”
The KGB Special Mission of the Intelligence Services
Assassins of the KGB from 1941 to 2004.
Lubyanka 1917 – 1991 (This is a book from Yakovlev’s foundation and contains archival documents –ones that point out criminal acts by the security services – from Lenin to Gorbachev).
KGB Guide to the World.
Special Correspondent for the KGB . The Notes of an Intel Agent and Journalist.
The CIA vs. the KGB – The Art of Espionage (Dulles)
The New Destroyers. The CIA and Perestroika (Rem Krasilnikov – died not too long ago – he, like many of his background think that Perestroika was a CIA plot against their country…)
Noon of the Magicians. The Restructuring of the World by the Occult (sounds right up your alley).
Communism Zen Fire and Zen Wind
All of Solzhenitsyn’s works
Tons of books on conspiracies, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.
So, put your money where your mouth is - get Golitsyn on board and I will bet you megamillions that he will be published there. We'll split the profits - that way you can keep your tin foil supply fresh.
By the way, ever hear of Posev Publishing???
And, if you think people can't be anti-Putin go to www.exile.ru (it's in English - it's disgusting - don't go there at work) These guys are very anti-Putin, anti-Bush, anti-communist, and let Eduard Limonov publish in their newspaper (Limonov calls repeatedly for Putin to be ousted and a National Bolshevik Party to be put in his place) and yet they still manage to get their visas renewed (most of them are Americans). They're not harrassed by the FSB, etc. However, when one of them tried to set up the same sort of newspaper/website in Buffalo, NY they were shut down. Explain that.
Do you know about the National Alliance of Russian Solidarists? A very anti-communist group of exiles allegedly supported by the CIA. Do you think they'd be published in Russia? Well....guess what?
Or how about this book:
"Âîñåìü ëåò âî âëàñòè Ëóáÿíêè. Òðåãóáîâ Þ. À
Ì., 2001 ã. 266 ñòð., ïåðåïë¸ò
Êíèãà áûëà îäíèì èç ïåðâûõ ïîñëåâîåííûõ ñâèäåòåëüñòâ î òîì, ñ êàêîé áåñ÷åëîâå÷íîñòüþ ñîâåòñêîå ãîñóäàðñòâî îáðàùàëîñü ñî ñâîèìè ïîëèòè÷åñêèìè ïðîòèâíèêàìè.
8 Years in Power at Lubyanka (KGB HQ). Tregubov, Yu. A.
Published in Moscow 2001 266 pages, soft cover
The book was one of the first post-war testimonies about how the Soviet government inhumanely dealt with its political enemies."
And you were saying?
This book is easy to find in various book stores and at Posev's kiosk on Pushkin Square smack dab in the middle of Moscow.
Well, TTS, just where is that censorship?
And we cannot forget Golitsyn's fatal flaw. Just as Marx discounted human nature, Golitsyn's theories on faux-perestroika come to naught as he has forgotten the element of human nature. If we were to believe Golitsyn's conspiracy theory the Russians, the Poles, the East Germans, the Czechs, the Slovaks, the Kazakhs, the Uzbeks, the Belarusians, the Tadjiks, the Hungarians, etc., etc., would all have to be willing to participate in this great plot. They'd have to be willing to give up their freedoms of speech, travel, consumerism, etc.
Unfortunately for you Golitsynites, and fortunately for the rest of us, Ronald Reagan was right about the Evil Empire not being able to live on. It's dead and the only ones in the FSU and former Warsaw Pact who dream of the possibility of Golitsyn actually being right are those who are dying off day-by-day - the unrepented communists whose only bit of resistance they can offer is to march feebly across Red Square on Lenin's or Stalin's birthday. Kind of puts you guys in strange company - old diehard Communists would love for Golitsyn to be right, just as you do -for it would vindicate the countless hours you must spend preparing for the day when the Old Red Bear rises again.
To me, Golitsyn and other defectors and emigres serve as a small set of data. There are many other sources of data. It is wise to take a broader view. Whether or not the Golitsyn thesis wholly describes a geopolitical trend, or it partially describes it, or fails to do so, it leads to at least some very good devil's advocate analysis. Let us assume for the sake of argument that Golitsyn missed completely and turn our attention to present geopolitical issues. Russia continues a support pattern vis a vis rogue states, terrorist sponsoring states and other centers of anti Westernism. An interesting set of treaties and agreements has been made between Russia and the PRC. Other observations can be made. So even if Russia has become a neo Czarist, hyper capitalist haven, she still possesses the means to inflict serious harm on the West. As Kagan and Kagan wrote in "While America Sleeps", Russia is restive. This alone merits our continued vigilance.
==If Golitsyn is still under deep cover, then why is he surfacing from time-to-time to publish?
If, as you claim, you had read Golitsyns books (or even books about him) you would know he did not break cover to publish either book. In both cases, Golitsyn used trusted former CIA/MI5 middlemen to correspond with the respective publisers.
==Well, TTS, just where is that censorship?
I see you have been unable to find either of Golitsyns books in your search of Russian book stores thus far. All the books you list assume that the Soviet Union collapsed. As such, none of them pose a sinificant threat to the continuing Soviets.
TTS- you yourself said that the book was out of print. Plus, his other books are fairly out of date as well. I'll make you a deal - you get to some of his "middlemen" and I'll ensure you that he gets published in Russia. He's readily available on the net (at least his articles, etc.)which means his works are available to Russians. Or are you going to claim the FSB is blocking access to him on the net as well (if so, how I can find his articles if I'm using a Russian ISP?).
==TTS- you yourself said that the book was out of print. Plus, his other books are fairly out of date as well.
Most of the books you mentioned are out of date. how come theyre available, but olitsyn is not? But hey, his first book is free for the takin. So publish it and make lots of money!!! I promise, if notin bad happens to you, I will absolutely be happy for your newfound success.
I dare you...
Eh... Just ordered Golitsyn's "Perestroika New deception..." on Amazon.co.uk. This is the newest (1997).
Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 184,055
Wow!!! (Could that explaing why he isn't readily available in Russian bookstores? I know, I know he ain't Rowling or Steven King...)
Dispatches in 4 to 6 weeks. Have to wait for that. See, if I will be caught for reading blasphemous books.
PS: Other Golitsyn's books are not available.
Once a Soviet, always a Soviet...
"I dare you..."
Give me his coordinates - or shall I contact his publisher. You just don't understand that the fact that his book appears not to be available in Russia at the moment has nothing to do with his crackpot theories. There are tons of people writing about things way more "radical" than Golitsyn did. Paranoia deep destroya...
TTS - did some digging and found some Russian forums were some posters are openly hoping that Golitsyn is right. So, you have some fellow travelers amongst the communists. Congratulations.
"TTS - did some digging and found some Russian forums were some posters are openly hoping that Golitsyn is right. So, you have some fellow travelers amongst the communists. Congratulations."
If they are hoping that Golitsyn is right then they are not members of the continuing Soviets. The continuing Soviets already KNOW Golitsyn has their number. Still, I would appreciate it if you would post the comments of these Communists (with link) so we can all read them. If you don't wish to translate their comments, feel free to post them in Russian as I am sure I can find a FReeper or two who would be happy to translate--TTS
"Give me his coordinates - or shall I contact his publisher. You just don't understand that the fact that his book appears not to be available in Russia at the moment has nothing to do with his crackpot theories."
So you admit his book is not available in Russia (of all places!). Their is no need to contact his publisher to ask permission to publish HIS FIRST BOOK in Russia. As I said, Dodd-Mead went out of business. A number of bootleg publishers re-published Golitsyn's book in the USA without publisher or author permission and no action was taken against them whatsoever. So have "New Lies For Old" translated and publish away!!!
"Eh... Just ordered Golitsyn's "Perestroika New deception..."
Be sure to READ it. Also, you may want to pick up a used copy of his 1984 book "New Lies For Old" and read it first. New Lies lays the groundwork, whereas Perestroika Deception elaborates on the same. You are to be commended for buying the book so you can make up your own mind. I look forward to you comments (whether you agree or disagree)--TTS
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