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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Tax-chick

The Undead Thread always has the cutest and the smartest kids.


481 posted on 08/01/2005 8:08:11 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Squatter's 'rights'!


482 posted on 08/01/2005 8:08:20 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (Ideal IRA statement: "We are curling up to die".)
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To: international american

James is the cutest, Pat is the smartest. I'll have to get some new pictures up - the boys all have their heads shaved now :-).


483 posted on 08/01/2005 8:11:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
The place needs some landscaping, I think...


484 posted on 08/01/2005 8:12:20 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: TAquinas

No papers right now - I finished all that were due. But I have an exam coming up shortly.


485 posted on 08/01/2005 8:36:30 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

*blushes*


486 posted on 08/01/2005 8:37:09 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76
*blushes*

Matches your top!

487 posted on 08/01/2005 8:54:49 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (Ideal IRA statement: "We are curling up to die".)
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To: kittymyrib
the toll alert must have malfunctioned on this post

How's this one?

user posted image

488 posted on 08/01/2005 8:55:28 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (Imagine 922,000,000 dead babies in a pile reaching to the sky. Think God hasn't noticed?)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Lovely ... but how will it do in this climate?


489 posted on 08/01/2005 8:56:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Tax-chick

I'll have to keep an eye on it. As long as it doesn't snow, I should be able to pack it with plenty of mulch and keep it warm.

One thing I miss (probably the only thing) about California is being able to grow whatever I want. Up here my agapanthus are seasonal; they die back in the winter then come back in the spring. Down in California, the stupid things bloomed year round.


490 posted on 08/01/2005 9:01:06 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

LOL!


491 posted on 08/01/2005 9:02:12 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

We have to keep everything indoors here. It's either too hot or too cold outside. (Then we have to keep the baby out of the pots!)


492 posted on 08/01/2005 9:04:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: photodawg
>>>>I'd probably vote for any Republican who'd support stem cell research and disavow the anti-evolution group..

Id give a thought to supporting a Democrat who favored the War In Iraq, and was prepared to support school choice and Another round of tax cuts. That's his way of saying he only votes for Democrats, that's my way of saying I predominately vote GOP.
493 posted on 08/01/2005 9:15:18 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("Krugman is bar none, one of the worst journalists in the country." -nikos1121)
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To: AmishDude

The UT has moved here.


494 posted on 08/01/2005 9:25:45 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: .cnI redruM

I think we should "broom" all but one Democrat, and 3/4ths of the Republicans in office.


495 posted on 08/01/2005 9:26:18 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: .cnI redruM

And close the borders and cut spending and privatize Social Security and Medicare and ... and ... and ...

Sure, I'll vote for that Democrat, too!


496 posted on 08/01/2005 9:27:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: international american

Remember when the Russians went after their Congress with tanks and artillery? Old Tax-lady and I thought that was an excellent way of getting the point across.


497 posted on 08/01/2005 9:29:10 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Standing athwart history, shouting, "Turn those lights off! You think electricity grows on trees?")
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To: Tax-chick

500


498 posted on 08/01/2005 9:30:24 AM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: Asphalt

500


499 posted on 08/01/2005 9:30:33 AM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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To: Asphalt

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500 posted on 08/01/2005 9:30:43 AM PDT by Asphalt (Join my NFL ping list! FReepmail me| The best things in life aren't things)
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