Iraq - Democrats Lied About WMDs

USS Neverdock ^ | 11/3/05 | Marc

[PleaDeal]

Terrific roundup! Thanks for putting it all together.

[concretebob]

we can not win the War on Terrorism solely on the military front.

That is the ONLY way we can the WAR on Terrorism..we are fighting terrorists...
The Rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights assume that people are civilized to a certain degree..unless you can assure me that OBL, Zarqwai, and their followers will demonstrate some degree of civility, they deserve NOTHING but the muzzle of a weapon..
you advocate negotiation with terrorists..appeasment...and surrender..

But lets be civilized about this...I truly want to help the terrorists..

THEY WANT TO DIE

I WANT TO HELP

[concretebob]

We have also dealt with people domestically who want to do nothing more than kill other Americans yet we allow them and ensure they are protected by these same unalienable rights

Those people, with the exception of certain gangs, do not have a worldwide religion, nor do they have followers willing to die in their cause. That is criminal behavior...not TERRORISM..there is a definite distinction between someone who robs a bank and shoots a bank guard, and someone who will strap on a backpack and kill inocents..or fly a plane into a building..or set a bomb on a subway...or behead non-combatants...or use chemical, biological, or nuclear devices against civilians..

[trooprally]

I share your anger over the involvement of the ACLU, Red Cross and other humanitarian groups that want to treat the terrorists better than they deserve.

But with the world wide media being so anti-American, we unfortunately can't take the proverbial gloves off (as much as we all want to, especially including Iraqikurd) and treat the terrorist as they deserve. There is evidence that the televised beheadings and murders by the terrorists is having a negative result, opposite that which the terrorist want.

This is as much a war of guns as it is for the hearts & minds of the Iraqis and Muslims. After WWII, we could have been hard nosed with the Germans & Japanese. But they would have been humiliated and possibly rise to power like they did after WWI. After WWII we did take those responsible for crimes to task and either imprisoned them or executed them. We, or at least the Iraqis will, and they won't show the same "mercy" we are. So in the end, they'll get theirs.

I know it is hard to stomach, but please bear with it. If Iraqikurd can, its the least that we can.>

I would really like to see those who exposed the CIA prisons be indicted and jailed.

[ladyinred]

This is great, thanks. Now if we could only get this info into the NYTimes! :-)

[concretebob]

This is an email I received form Human Events about the book

Dear Fellow Conservative,
This is an email about one of the most powerful weapons of our time... "disinformation."

It's a weapon that is used on all of us over and over every day of our lives. How do I know this?

The deliberately suppressed list above is one reason. Here's another: Have you heard that Osama bin Laden is on kidney dialysis? I'll bet you have. Much of the Western media report bin Laden's presumed affliction as a matter of fact -- and most Americans believe it. But...

...it's just not true.

Now, you may well be thinking: "Why would the news media want to make me believe that Osama bin Laden is a very sick and perhaps dying man?" Well, here's why...

The news media are -- overwhelmingly -- against the Iraq War. The image of an aged, 6-foot, 8-inch Arab limping from cave to cave, trailing a camel loaded down with dialysis equipment -- eluding George W. Bush and the most powerful military in the world -- appeals to them enormously.

And so the myth lives on -- for SEVEN YEARS now! -- long past the normal life expectancy of patients hooked up to dialysis in the best hospitals, let alone the freezing, rugged mountains of the Afghan-Pakistani border.

There is a name for this phenomenon -- disinformation.

The term refers to the deliberate dissemination of FALSE information (and the intentional omission of TRUE information) for the purpose of confusing rivals or influencing public opinion.

Indeed, the false conclusion that "Bush lied, there were no WMDs in Iraq," is the main supporting claim of the anti-war Left. Without it, the movement collapses.

My name is Tom Winter, Editor in Chief of HUMAN EVENTS. It grieves me to admit that millions upon millions of Americans unknowingly accept blatant falsehoods as facts due to the power and prevalence of disinformation.

Take a look at some of the most pernicious lies that you have no doubt read or heard:

There is no connection between Iraq and al Qaeda

The U.S. funded the Taliban in the 1980s

Suitcase nukes are in place across America

Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA

Halliburton made a fortune in Iraq

There were no Jews in the Word Trade Center on 9/11

What do each of these widely publicized, widely believed "facts" have in common? Here's what:

They are undeniably false... as you will discover in Disinformation, the new blockbuster book by veteran reporter Richard Miniter, and it will be my pleasure to send it to you FREE in hard cover, just for trying HUMAN EVENTS.

Rich Miniter's career sounds like something out of a spy thriller -- except it's real. In addition to writing for newspapers in the U.S., Western Europe, Africa and Southeast Asia, he has traveled with rebels into war zones in Uganda, Sudan and Burma and along smugglers' routes in Laos, Thailand and Cambodia.

Few reporters are more familiar with the methodology of disinformation -- the clever misdirection, false rumors, press manipulation, and endless repetition of falsehoods until they morph into "truth." Disinformation is a dark art, and Richard Miniter understands its shadings and subtleties.

[timydnuc]

The truth means nothing to the leftist, commie bastards. They make up the "truth" as they go along, and so does the MSM. But, the People are seeing through it, and that pi$$es them off.

[concretebob]

So those young warriors who swore an oath to preseerve the Constitution and died doing it are what???? Symbols???
BRAVO SIERRA...

you don't hand over the rights people died preserving to the people responsible for their deaths...convicted felons lose their rights...end of story..and end of this discussion...

[concretebob]

Germany and Japan SURRENDERED...and re-joined the world commuinty..and haven't tried to kill our citizens on a continuous basis..

[concretebob]

PING to the crew

[NicknamedBob]

I'm inclined to agree with Iraqikurd on this one, Bob.

I agree that all of our Constitutional rights should not be extended to suspected terrorists, but basic human rights should. I have always felt that torture was a barbaric and subhuman thing to consider, but that doesn't mean that modern interrogation techniques, including moderate brainwashing or de-conditioning, and chemical pursuaders should be forbidden.

I took pride in the fact that in the first Gulf War, Iraqi troops surrendered in droves to our men (and Machines!) It seemed to prove to me that civilised treatment of prisoners of war was the best way to win battles. Convincing your opponents to fight to the last man is just plain stupid, and costly in our lives as well as theirs.

We need to convince our friends and enemies that we have a better lifestyle, with freedom and justice for all, and not just a better war machine.

[concretebob]

There is a rabid dog in your neighborhood. He has already attacked several of your neighbors and their children
You gonna break out the Kibbles & Bits, or the 30.30?

[Watery Tart]

Thanks, areafiftyone!

Bookmarking!

[Nonstatist]

The Democraps will allege that they didnt have all the information that Bush had, and that their information wasnt timely, and that only Bush acted, and that he acted without objectively evaluating all the information.

Its specious and inconsistant but its good enough for govt work.

[concretebob]

The McCain Amendment -- SA 1977 -- Says The Following...

“No individual in the custody or under the physical control of the United States Government, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment."

No cruel or inhuman treatment... that sounds reasonable... or does it?

But the phrase “degrading treatment” – which could have been invented by Amnesty International -- is so vague and full of holes you could drive a Hummer through it.

Solitary confinement, harsh language, ridicule, mild threats, good-cop-bad-cop -- the Senate wants to outlaw all of these standard questioning techniques and restrict interrogators to the etiquette of a ladies’ lawn party.

These terrorists are butchering women and children all over the globe -- as well as launching sneak attacks on our troops – and we’re supposed to walk on egg shells when we try to find out which Americans they intend to kill next?

Exactly what are our troops suppose to do when questioning these terrorist thugs in an attempt to save American lives?

"Pretty please Mr. terrorist... I beg you...could you please tell us the details of your NEXT attack on innocent Americans?"

That's about the size of it folks. After all, we will now have to be extra careful not to do ANYTHING THAT WOULD DEGRADE OR INSULT THESE KILLERS!

The U.S. Senate hasn’t gotten the message: We’re at war with fanatics who hate Americans.

These jihadists are willing to die for their faith, and we aren’t even willing to be ill-mannered to protect our freedom.

[concretebob]

We need to convince our friends and enemies that we have a better lifestyle, with freedom and justice for all, and not just a better war machine.

Our friends don't need convincing and our enemies think our lifestyle is a tool of satan..it's why they are our enemies..
they tried to DESTROY that lifestyle on 9/11
anyone who believes TERRORISTS...islamo-extremists...alQueda... is worthy of the same treatment as criminals or prisoners of war is not thinking clearly..or does not understand the evil we are dealing with..

[concretebob]

(d) Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment Defined.--In this section, the term "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment'' means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, as defined in the United States Reservations, Declarations and Understandings to the United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment done at New York, December 10, 1984.

Hell, let 'em vote too..and give 'em medial care, and social security.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!