Stingray: Conservative Christian News and Commentary
Posted on 11/04/2005 11:23:17 AM PST by DallasMike
According to this Reuters report, "rioters set fire to hundreds of vehicles in impoverished suburbs of northeastern Paris in an eighth night of unrest that spread for the first time to other parts of the capital and other towns in France." Reuters continues:
...the rioting spread, with some attacks reported in western Paris suburbs — including the torching of 23 buses at a depot — and a few cars firebombed around Rouen in northern France, Dijon in the east and Marseille in the south.
The pattern of violence also changed, shifting from crowds clashing with police to targeted arson attacks, many against businesses and warehouses.
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Officials in Seine Saint Denis said 187 vehicles had been destroyed there overnight. French media said up to 600 vehicles were destroyed in the whole greater Paris region, including 23 buses at a terminal in Trappes in the southwest near Versailles.
In addition to that, a 56-year old handicapped woman was doused with gasoline and set ablaze by Muslim youths. Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said he believes the rioting “was not spontaneous, it was perfectly organized.” He said authorities did not know by whom.
Hugh Hewitt interviewed Mark Steyn on the French riots — I think that we can't really call them the Paris riots any longer — and Steyn had this this to say:
I'm actually thinking of going to Paris. I went to one of these suburbs that's currently ablaze three years ago. And what was interesting to me is I had to bribe a taxi driver a considerable amount of money just to take me out there. They're miserable places. But what was interesting to me is that after that, I then flew on to the Middle East, and I was in Yemen, and a couple of other places. And what was interesting to me was that I found more menace in the suburbs of Paris than I did in some pretty scary places in the Middle East. I mean, there is a real...this, I think, is the start of a long Eurabian civil war we're witnessing here.
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They're places where people who are not Muslim feel very ill at ease. They're places where the writ of the French state does not run. The police don't police there. They basically figure if you go there, you're on your own. You're taking your own chances there. I mean, I don't think Americans understand quite the degree of alienation of some of these groups.
The school district serving my neighborhood has students coming from homes where 67 different languages are the primary language. Yet the Richardson School District is one of the finest in Texas. Within 5 miles of where we live, my wife and I can dine at Indian restaurants representing the north, the south, the northwest, and the southwest of India. You want Pakistani food? You'll have to decide whether you want western Pakistani cuisine or eastern Pakistani cuisine. If you name an ethnic group, I can pretty much find you a community with its own restaurants and shops located just a few miles from where we live. Despite this, we have no racial tension at all.
So what has gone wrong with France?
The problem is that the French have never encouraged their immigrants to adopt the French culture and have instead pursued a policy of non-assimilation. Though born in France, the rioting youths are strangers in a strange land. In the United States — at least so far — we've resisted multiculturalism pressures and have encouraged immigrants to adopt American ways. The Vietnamese, Koreans, Chinese, Indians, and Pakistanis all have local pockets of their culture where they feel at home, but they otherwise live and work as Americans. By the time immigrant children here are 9 or 10, they have the same likes and dislikes and engage in the same activities as other American children. They may eat different foods at home but at school and play, they're Americans.
Around 10 percent of France's population are Muslims descended from northern Africans and they have no affinity at all with the country of their birth. It may be too late for France and they really may have to go through a civil war before they see peace. The only answer is to work at integrating these immigrants and children of immigrants into the French culture. Israel has residents from virtually every country in the world yet most consider themselves to be Jews regardless of whether they are actually religious. Israel devotes considerable resources to "Israelize" their Immigrants. France must do the same or perish.
Stingray: Conservative Christian News and Commentary
How come there are no "brave" french guys that go and fire bomb the slum houses?
Why have all the french people just hunkered down and not fought back against these slime?
What ever happened to every person in FRance being part of Le Resistance against the Nazis?
Bears repeating.
Apparently, most of them are dead.
Brave Muslim alert!
Unfortunately most of the "warrior class" French gene pool was wiped out in two world wars. What you see now is what is left - the descendants of the ones who wouldn't fight.
"Paris riots: Organized and Spreading?"
At first glance I thought this was another Hilton home movie.
Guess not
And they know that since they are law-abiding citizens, they not only have more to lose by retaliating, but also that it will be easier for the police to arrest them because they will come quietly, while the rioters will not.
I guarantee that if a random, law-abiding white or Asian citizen who had had his car torched or his store looted during the LA riots had come back to the scene after the fact to shoot the people who did it, he would currently be on death row.
Period.
And you know that too.
Not true, the LA Rioters were very upset by Korean store owners protecting their property with shotguns and the wielders of the shotguns opening up on them if they got too close.
I agree about the people in big cities that allow their lives to be protected by the police instead of taking preventative actions to protect themselves.
I think my point was more that their has been no retaliation of the average French citizen against these muslim nitwits. They seem to allow their property to be destroyed and do nothing about it but put the fire out after the car or house has been burned to the ground.
How do you know they won't? And not if, but when they do, the pendulum over there may swing very far. The thing about European politics is, when the equilibrium gets disturbed, the results can be shocking.
Although, this summer, a major recruiting drive for the French military went into full gear. Way more ads and the like than what we've got here in the US.
Completely beside my point.
Again, if any of those shopkeepers had lost their stores to looting and returned the next day to shoot the looters, he would be in prison.
I think my point was more that their has been no retaliation of the average French citizen against these muslim nitwits.
There was no retaliation in NYC after 9/11. I was there.
The average French citizen knows that retaliation is against the law and that he will pay the full price of breaking the law if he retaliates.
Most people, if given the choice, would clean up the damage, fill out the insurance forms and remain outside of prison, rather than engaging in activity which is guaranteed to put them in prison for 20 years.
If I was in this situation there is no way I would risk going to the clink and being deprived of the company of my wife and children for decades in exchange for a few moments of sweet revenge.
Of course, if the rioters harmed my family, I would probably kill as many of them as I could until I was captured.
For the sake of theor own country, I hope they find some good men to wear the uniform. All kidding about the French aside, they have made major contributions to Western civilization.
I'd rather have an angry, anti-Muslim France than a fully dhimmized France.
Two things...the Korean store owners were minority immigrants, which grants them the same police politically correct status as the rioters, and they had guns to defend their property. The French public has been disarmed.
So Chirac made a big show of refusing to fight Muslim extremists with the USA, UK and others in Iraq?
Then let him fight them in France, alone.
So you would have done a Bronson on them!
Me too.
If during the riots in France, a "Brave" Frenchman, stood up and protected his property with a shotgun, would their laws put him in the jug?
I understand that after finding your property destroyed, shooting a rioter would be frowned upon. But where are the people defending their own property. Where is the French military?
Good popint. Plus all those rioters had probably seen a Jackie Chan movie or two.
"That China Man is CA-RAZY!"
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