Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
Posted on 11/07/2005 8:22:29 AM PST by dukeman
Ah, 'tis the season over on DU. Visions of sitting down to holiday dinner with their extended Republican families and images of smiling Christians dance in their heads. Here's the current best of their holiday greetings to you, you #@!*"#! freepers! There's bound to be more as Thanksgiving and Christmas draw closer, but these just couldn't wait:
Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-24-05 02:00 AM
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Do you guys celebrate Christmas?
I really don't want to this year. Basically, it's all about being exposed to fundy family members and having the bible shoved down my throat before I can open presents which they probably think I don't deserve.
I don't have the money to buy presents for others and because of that, i don't want them to buy presents for me.
I just don't want to go through it this year, but if I don't, I'll be labeled a "Scrooge."
FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-24-05 02:22 AM
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2. F#$% Christmas
The whole "merry xmas" vs "happy holidays" debate will, no doubt, be raised as a pivotal issue in our society. Gay marriage, abortion, the ten commandments, and the Merry xmas debate. Yep, screw the deficit, the war dead, the lies, the corruption, repugs take on the important issues.
I have not celebrated christmas in years, I tend to work over the holidays, and given the choice, I always work xmass instead of new years.
You can still celebrate family, friends, good food and wine, life.
Religion?, we don't need no stinking religion.
BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-24-05 08:55 AM
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5. Xmas season has already started here....
No, not the green and red **** in all the stores, the LTTE about the 7th season of "Why isn't Bay-Bee Jeebus welcome on the Courthouse Square?" which is beginning.
Never mInd that every church in town has a Nativity Scene on their lawn, and you can go to the huge, over-done drive-through LIVE nativity (they use llamas for camels) out at the eastside baptist megla-mania-church, Nooooooo, GAWD will withold his blessings from, and refuse to let his face shine upon the peeps of Tippy County unless widdle Jeebus is moved out of the back of the pickup truck he sits in every night and is welcomed onto the courthouse lawn....
For myself, I observe and celebrate the Solctice, just like I have for many years, figuring if others want to hijack it for for somebody's birtday, WTH....
progressoid (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-24-05 09:50 AM
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6. I've been a scrooge for many a season, but still celebrate it...
mostly to placate the family. I ignore most of the tedious religous stuff and stick to the fun, pagan stuff. I will again be the only one NOT going to the xmas pageant at church. But, my in-laws are taking us to see a Christmas Carol this year (booooring).
Presents will be less than skimpy this year since we're broke. That's fine with me since I don't see shopping as an expression of love for my family and friends.
Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-24-05 10:56 AM
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7. I give gifts to children
Adults can go **** themselves.
HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-05 12:16 AM
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15. Tell them you're going skiing in Colorado.
Or whatever. Just remove yourself from the gathering. You are an adult and entitled to do so. DON'T LET THEM MAKE YOU FEEL GUILTY ABOUT IT, EITHER!!
As far as your question, I celebrate what the REAL meaning of the season is, namely the Winter Solstice and the fact that it heralds the returning of the sun and the approach of Spring.
The real "Birth of the saviour" The sun.
onager (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-26-05 11:35 AM
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16. I enjoy my favorite Xmas movies...
Life Of Brian
National Lampoon Xmas Vacation
Bad Santa
And my most favorite of all...
Edmund BlackAdder: ...So, shall I begin the Christmas story?
Prince: Absolutely. As long as it's not that terribly depressing one about the chap who gets born on Christmas Day, shoots his mouth off about everything under the sun, and then comes a cropper with a couple of rumcoves on top of a hill in jolly Arab-land.
Edmund: You mean Jesus, Sir...
Prince: Yes, that's the fellow. Keep him out of it. He always spoils the X-mas at-mos.
neebob (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-30-05 04:23 PM
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18. I've always done Christmas as minimally as possible -
spend a couple hundred bucks, mostly on my son, attend parties as invited, enjoy the decorations - but mostly it's a big forced march that I resent and am glad when it's over. I haven't even put up my (fake) tree for years, since I got my third cat. My family didn't make a big deal of any holiday, so I don't feel guilty - just pressured by friends and co-workers, mostly.
I have gotten some flack from my former in-laws, though, for telling my son there was no Santa Claus as soon as he was capable of conversing. They say he didn't have a childhood, because of that and the Easter Bunny and whatever else I told him the truth about. And my mother disagrees with my rationale for telling him, which stems from finding out from friends in the fourth grade and feeling very, very stupid and blaming my parents for selfishly continuing the charade and all the time I spent worrying that I'd been bad enough to get a lump of coal.
trotsky (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-30-05 07:14 PM
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19. I refused to support the Santa Claus myth with my kids as well.
I didn't outright tell them there was no Santa Claus, but whatever questions they asked I answered truthfully. With my son, one of his very first questions was, "Is Santa Claus real?" No beatin' around the bush with that one.
And yeah, got a fair amount of family guff for not lying to my kids. **** 'em, these are my kids and I get to screw them up any way I choose.
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kiraboo (886 posts) Sun Nov-06-05 10:12 AM
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Christ-mas is on its way. Got that sinking feeling?
Does anybody else find that this year, like the last few, the holidays don't bring the pleasure and excitement they once did? I am not a Christian, but the Christmas celebration nevertheless has in the past had a spiritual component to it... a residue of my childhood I suppose. I used the time to ponder what Christ as a symbol said about the mainstream cultural values - our hopes, our compassion, our fears. Love for the fellow man and all that.
But this sense of connectedness has disappeared. Christ as a symbol or even as a historical figure has been gagged, bound, carted away and ultimately mutilated by the religious right. And in the process has been exposed the ugly, filthy side of America. Our gullibility. Our tendency to deceit. Ignorance. Violence. Arrogance. In a twisted logic, Christmas has for me become a vigil, a wake. A darkened time. Ame I crazy?
Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 12:33 PM
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33. Even seeing my family has become adversarial.
I didn't celebrate Christmas last year. The year before I remember as being adversarial. After being forced to listen to the Christmas story (which is presented as TRUTH), my brother made some really nasty comments to me.
Couple that with others expecting me to buy them gifts I can't afford and the whole thing is just a pain in the ass. I need to decide what to do about this year. I may ask, once again, that no one buy me a gift, but they do it anyway.
Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 03:11 PM
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43. I used to put up decorations...
wrap presents for the kids, bake banana bread for the office.
Last year, no decorations, I didn't feel much like baking, and the kids and I went shopping after Christmas (they got twice as much stuff, and they insist we do it the same way this year.)
This is not the country I grew up in.
knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 10:18 AM
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4. Nah, you're normal.
I hate the holidays. Hate them. As an adult child of divorce, all they do is stir up old fights (which still go on to this day now that grandkids are involved) and old, bad memories.
I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian, and the only thing that gets me through is my church. At least during liturgy, I can hide from all the material crap ("if you love your kids, buy them this" kind of thing) and my family. I find the old, mystical expressions of the faith really help in such a soulless, dark time.
I agree with your assessment of how my faith has been dragged in the mud and damaged by those wackos who just don't seem to get it. I don't think they own Christmas, though. No one does.
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 10:18 AM
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6. christ has been taken out of christmas more by the fundies
the very people that are yellling about christ being taken out of christmas. i cant/wont do their hypocrisy, so i tend to go to the extreme, the other side. so there isnt as much the joy in celebrating christ as has been in the past. again let me say, because of the religious. i wont go to church either, because of the religious and what they are doing to religion. i just find that amazing. anyway
MADem (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 11:12 AM
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26. The Fundies do have some guy named Jeeeeeeeesus in their celebrations though--he is a meanass sonofabitch who doesn't want you to do ANYTHING fun, he wants you to be scared ****less of their pulpit authority, he wants you to be in a perpetual state of denial and sacrifice, he likes war, despises non-Xtians, fosters hate, and if you do not feel perpetually GUILTY, you are doing something wrong!
He has nothing to do with the historical figure of many years ago, though....
_U_L8R (567 posts) Sun Nov-06-05 10:26 AM
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10. Christianity is not for Christians Anymore
At least anyone who holds dear any teaching of Christ. IMHO, The whole religion has been hijacked and ruined by a bunch of sanctimonious profiteers, pundits and politicans. I certainly don't worship their god of hate, intolerance and greed.
Maybe one day... the churches will wake up speak out and expose the fakers and the crooks. Until then... the churches are the biggest part of the problem with their silence and complicity.
Pool Hall Ace (859 posts) Sun Nov-06-05 10:28 AM
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12. Nope, not crazy.
One thing I have realized lately is how many people who at first appear as kindly Christians are actually hateful racists. My in-laws are a good example. Rednecks with a little bit of money, that's what they are.
[Incidentally, this moonbat has a Washington Redskins helmet symbol by his name]
December rolls around, and they're celebrating the birth of Jesus, who would not approve of the way they feel about icky brown people, gays, and others Not Like Them.
And I supposed they'll be buying crap for the grandkids, too. I don't know for sure, because we didn't spend last Christmas with them. They did buy us a gift last year, but I really don't want anything from them. It's nothing personal, I just don't need to celebrate Jesus' birth by maxing out my credit card.
Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 01:14 PM
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37. "I dread having to spend time with those relatives who've not yet figured out what's going on."
Or those who will never catch on because they don't want to. My own relatives have been a major driving force behind the new fascism. They have a stake in it. They believe in it. They've supported groups like the Christian Coalition. They're friends with neocons like Rico Oller, who luckily lost his bid for a seat on the House of Representatives.
They'll never admit to wrongdoing and they have no respect for any of my views. I'm the one with the problem. All they have to do is look at the illnesses I've suffered to feel superior. After all, a person with major depression can't have anything important to say about current affairs or fundamentalist Christianity.
yorkiemommie1 (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 10:31 AM
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14. nope
i share many of your feelings.
how do you feel about seeing the cross symbol sold everywhere? on the hosts on the shopping channels, in catalogs and in stores. i wonder if it's 1: catering to the religious right 2: a fashion statement that has become so because of the rr. and/ or a reaction to 9/11; 3: in the case of the hosts , a public statement of faith ?
i guess i am really suspicious that there is some subtle message being put out there.
i was born/raised catholic but feel very alienated from the church.
that being said, the sermon on the mount is the basis for my liberalism.
notsodumbhillbilly (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 12:27 PM
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32. If you're crazy, so am I
Simply hearing or seeing the word Christmas depresses me.
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 09:53 AM Oh, the ironing!! (Gotta love that "Christian" ignorance)
Flipping channels a moment ago, I came across a "Christian" Sunday morning show. In this prepared ad they were showing, a woman was saying how important it was for "Christians" to display nativity scenes in their churches and ESPECIALLY on their PRIVATE property. They must get the word out about the true meaning of Christmas.
Nevermind the FACT that nativity scenes are 100% false representations and that Christmas was created to combat the pagan celebration of the winter solstice.
I love the smell of irony in the morning. It smells like....hypocrisy.
TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 10:08 AM
Response to Original message 3. 100 % false representations?
You're sure about that?
I know that the early church chose the winter dates for Christmas because it was a good match for a pre-existing celebration...
but the figures in the nativity scene really don't represent a time, per se. The characters are straight from the Bible version of the birth of Christ. You know, Mary, Joe, the kings, the animals...
She was talking about putting religious symbols on her private property. I'm sorry, but I just don't see the hypocracy in that.
Unles while she said it she was swigigng a bottle of Jack Daniels and beating her kids while she ironed her husband's KKK robe. Then I'd agree with you.
Until then, I saw we cut her a break.
Roland99 (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 10:10 AM
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4. Uh, yes. The nativity scene is a complete and utter fabrication
Never happened.
Come on! Jesus was ROYALTY! You think he was born in a food trough?
BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 10:15 AM
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5. I would gladly accept their religious displays on public property after they give up their tax exempt status retroactive to the first day reagan was in office.
Roland99 (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 10:22 AM
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9. My take on the ad (and I wish I could post a video or something) is that it was an "in your face" move to put the nativity scene in public view to show that "Christians" won't back down in their faith.
The point I was making about the irony is that that "faith" they are selling is a false one. Why is the nativity scene (which is an utter fabrication) some stalwart of their faith's foundation? Shouldn't the foundation of the Christian religion be the teachings of Jesus? It *should* be. But, if they *did* follow the teachings of Jesus, they'd realize they've been the modern-day Sadducees and Pharisees all along and that's a tough pill to swallow.
I have no problem with people who profess to be Christian and follow his teachings instead of the trappings surrounding the modern-day version of Christianity.
upi402 (173 posts) Sun Nov-06-05 03:17 PM
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75. Yeah, they put the Arabs they love to hate on display for their religion that is hated like never before.
If they were like the poster above there would be no problems. But the zealots take over and the pissing match is on...
"Hey, they're not like us. Kill them"
Dear god, save me from your followers!
hunter (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-06-05 06:37 PM
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92. I think Jesus was born on Halloween.
Is it okay if I set up my Nativity scene then?
I`m not a holiday person myself but man,what a bleak,hopeless,miserable existence these people have.
Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
Suddenly I feel like I should be boiled in my own pudding and buried with a stake of holly through my heart....sure are a lot of sour grapes posting over there....sad....
And it gets even worse on their Loners Group and Mental Health forums.
The term X-Mas, imo, has been an effort to remove Christ from the holiday.
I say Christmas.
Have you seen this?!
Wow. Now there's a bitter crew. Er, "thanks" for posting it. (Do I still get to call you "newbie?")
Ping.
There's still a few dying embers of cheerfulness amongst them that need to be extinguished.
Hey, at least the one DUer wants to give gifts to children (although he says adults can go **** themselves!).
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Y'know the common threads that seem to run through all these rantings are (a) none of these cretins have jobs, and (b) they are very, very miserable & unhappy people. |
Bump for a later read. This looks hilarious.
As a little more in your face, wife and I try to emphasize Christ Mass.
I don't find their responses/posts surprising. But until they know what it's like to have liberalism/marxism/socialism shoved down your throat, your children's throat, and into every aspect of your life, I'll have dinner with the "fundies" any day!
I can only stomach about 8 of those messages before not bothering to read any more. Pathetic and asinine - smacks of "rebelling" just for the sake of "rebelling", and to feel superior.
An 'X' is the last character they should' use to replace Christ. 'X' has many roots and meanings that are all Christ centered. The most obvious is X's resemblance to the Cross.
It's not funny -- it's expected. A large part of the left-wing moonbat mindset is all about normalizing abnormal behavior (classic case reference: homosexuality). All in the name of "diversity", naturally.
Presents will be less than skimpy this year since we're broke.
Nice illustration of cause and effect. ;)
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