CIA Data Leaked to Red Website

The Morning Paper-Special Edition ^ | 11/11/05 | vanity

[genefromjersey]

CIA Airplane IDs and Designations on Red Website

There has been a lot of talk about CIA leaks to the Media of late.

This chart (available at the link shown in first comment), which appears on an Italian Communist website –has been distributed around the world ,and is readily available to al-Qaeda,or any other enemy of the United States.

This data was originally leaked to the Washington Post-whose reporter-Dana Milbank – declined to publish the specific data you see here.

Presumably,this made the leaker unhappy , and the information found its way to one Clayton Hallmark, who publishes regularly on the Euro-Communist site Bellacio.

Hallmark, in turn,published it with an incredibly flimsy “cover story”,which attributes the data to private “plane spotter” hobbyists,and FAA records.

The fact that this information – if accurate – jeopardizes American lives by identifying CIA aircraft, and designating which planes are apt to have detainees aboard ,makes this a scandal for far above and beyond the Valerie Plame incident as to be breathtaking.

It’s well past time for an investigation into CIA leaks !

[genefromjersey]

Here is the link mentioned above.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=9050

[Steel Wolf]

Link?

[Texas_Jarhead]

Apparently CIA, like foggy bottom, is in need of a good house cleaning.

[putupjob]

I wonder if this is Valerie Plame and company at work.

[genefromjersey]

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=9050

[COEXERJ145]

Hallmark, in turn,published it with an incredibly flimsy “cover story”,which attributes the data to private “plane spotter” hobbyists,and FAA records.

Actually, this is partially true. A vast number of the people on Airliners.net have been doing their best for well over a year to "out" the CIA aircraft that are used to fly terrorist suspects around.

[TWohlford]

This story makes NO sense.

For starters, we already know that the US routinely handed off detainees to the Egyptians, Saudis, Turks, Pakistanis, etc. If you know anything about those prison systems you'll understand that Gitmo (or any US prison) is paradise by comparison.

So if we were using these other countries to hide detainees and extract info from them, then why would we go to the time, expense and RISK of a "secret prison system"???

[kublia khan]

Every time the intelligence community goes to war against the administration the American people lose. They lost in the early 60's when the CIA was implicated in the JFK assassination. They Lost in the early 70's when the FBI left a renegade agent to conspire with a biased media to bring down a president, and it's losing today as the CIA once again is on the brink of open warfare with a president. If this President is assassinated I won't be the only one who wants the first name on the suspect list to be operatives in the CIA.

[Verginius Rufus]

Speaking of Valerie Plame...how well hidden is the parking lot for CIA employees at Langley? Could someone use trainspotting/planespotting techniques to track CIA agents? Follow a car leaving the parking lot till it arrives at the agent's house?

Curt Weldon in the event from last Wednesday (rebroadcast on C-SPAN or C-SPAN2 this afternoon) complained about American Prospect disclosing the name of a source in Paris, which sounded much more serious than outing "Plume" (as he called her).

American Prospect is one of the more vitriolic anti-Republican, anti-Bush publications. When I googled Curt Weldon's name, one of the hits was to a hit piece in their online version attacking him.

[airedale]

Speaking of Valerie Plame...how well hidden is the parking lot for CIA employees at Langley? It raises an interesting question. The CIA's parking lots are access controlled. I have to assume that they use a decal and maybe an electronic device to permit access. I can't imagine that each and every car has to stop and be individually checked in when they arrive in the morning or other shift changes. Did Plame's car have a CIA decal before she was "outed" by Novak? Even if it didn't say CIA anyone who knew someone at the CIA and had seen their CIA decal would recognize the decal on someone else's car. If they came out as a former CIA NOC to talk on TV, etc the people who knew them before would/could remember the decals on their car.

[CyberAnt]

"If" .. like you're expecting it ..??

Well .. I'm not and I'm actively praying against it.

[Verginius Rufus]

I would guess that covert agents at least would not have decals which are permanently affixed to a window or bumper, but agents might have decals that hang from the rear-view mirror (and can be hidden in the glove compartment at other times) or maybe a credit-card-sized card or perhaps something like a garage-door opener to permit access to the lot.

[Verginius Rufus]

Apparently "Plan A" back in the 1970s was not to force Nixon out of office, but to keep the Watergate investigation and impeachment proceedings dragging on, to ensure Democrat gains in the 1974 elections and a Democrat win in the 1976 Presidential race. As it happened, of course, matters reached a point where Nixon resigned...and if it had not been for a blunder or two, Ford might have beaten Carter in 1976.

The plan now, on the part of the Democrat activists, is to turn the controversy over pre-war intelligence and Bush's supposed duplicity into a new Watergate scandal (there was some talk of this tonight by the "Fox All Stars"). If they can regain the House in November 2006, they will start impeachment proceedings, but probably don't expect to force Bush out of office. Instead, they want to weaken him so severely by the process that 2008 becomes a Democratic landslide election.

[CyberAnt]

Well .. if the charges against DeLay are dropped - which could happen .. then it will be a full charge ahead for DeLay in rebuilding the House.

The dems will have a snowball's chance in hell of gaining anything. And .. in the 2nd place .. the dems have more vulnerable seats than repubs do.

[Verginius Rufus]

One difference is that Nixon was actually guilty of some things. (Probably nothing worse than what Kennedy and Johnson had gotten away with, and trivial compared to some of Clinton's offenses, but still against the law.) President Bush hasn't done anything wrong, as far as any of us know...the Democrats are trying to criminalize policy differences.

One other difference between Nixon and Bush is that Nixon fought back against his enemies. Maybe today is a sign that Bush will finally start to refute the accusations thrown at him.

[kublia khan]

Certainly I am not expecting it, and I join you in your prayers for our president. I was only pointing to the poison relationship between the CIA and the president and what history teaches is a very real possibility when these conditions exist.

[airedale]

I'm not even sure they'd have that. My guess is that they'd be cleared in as if they were you or me. Any kind of identification could be dangerous. On the other hand if Plame had a CIA sticker on her car even if it didn't say CIA on it would show that she was no longer a NOC and it would be evidence that the CIA really wasn't protecting her identity that well.

[ntnychik]

I just finished reading Double Cross by Chuck Giancana. The CIA's poisonous attitude toward JFK brought to mind our current situation. Prayers and vigilance needed.

[CyberAnt]

Geeeeez! You don't even know what Nixon was or wasn't guilty of and yet you're out here saying he was actually guilty of some things.

He was .. but you should know what they are. Nixon was guilty of covering up the break-in. Nixon didn't plan it, and he didn't know his people were planning it. I don't think he would have approved of it .. but when he found out what they had done .. he chose to hide it.

It was a very big mistake. He should have exposed them and fired their butts!