Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Ultra-Left Intelligence Officers Group Plots Against Bush Administration
Never Yet Melted ^ | November 20, 2005 | jdz

Posted on 11/20/2005 12:15:23 PM PST by Venator

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-34 last
To: Mo1

Could be, if Mel Goodman is part of the VIPS anti-Bush/Cheney cabal.


21 posted on 11/20/2005 11:00:09 PM PST by STARWISE (The liberals and terrorists belong to the same club: THE HATE AND DESTROY AMERICA CLUB.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Mo1

Mel Goodman is on the list of VIPS members & affiliates, with explanatory links.


22 posted on 11/20/2005 11:15:16 PM PST by Venator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Venator

So if this is true, why isn't Bush's man that now runs the CIA getting down to house-cleaning business?

None of the characters mentioned are big shots, and surely grounds could be found for making their continued roles so unbearable, as to force them out.


23 posted on 11/20/2005 11:31:42 PM PST by truth_seeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: STARWISE

Interesting that the same group seems to be behind every leak from the CIA; were they deliberately manipulating evidence that was presented to the administration too?

I wouldn't put anything past them.


24 posted on 11/21/2005 3:07:42 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Mo1

Off topic.

Did you see this as to why Murtha has made a big deal about his withdrawal proposal? It's not a new position for him, but maybe he's trying to deflect the coming criticism and an ethics probe.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2005/11/murthagate-loud-tear-filled-call-for.html


25 posted on 11/21/2005 3:23:35 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Venator
Fanning the flames? Look a little closer, Clarice...they started the fire.

My theory (#42)is that this was a collaborative effort by the French and CIA coordinated by Wilson. Jacqueline, (Joe's his second wife), was a French diplomat and may have provided the connections for Wilson to see the forged documents that were supplied by the French through the Italians. In other words it is possible that Wilson knew that the docs were forged because he was privy to the information that French wanted to discredit the British info on Saddam shopping for yellowcake and that Wilson's objective was the same. The French just happen to manage the yellowcake production in Niger.

Therefore, Wilson did not lie when he said he saw the documents.

Per a thread by Fedora:

French intelligence soon began a campaign to discredit the US case for war against Iraq. In 1999, French intelligence had begun investigating the security of uranium supplies in Niger, where uranium production was controlled by a consortium led by the French mining company COGEMA, a division of the French state-owned nuclear energy firm AREVA. At that time, Italian businessman Rocco Martino provided French intelligence with genuine documents revealing that Iraq was planning to expand trade with Niger. French intelligence took an interest in the documents and asked Martino to provide more information. In 2000 he used a contact in the Niger embassy in Rome to provide French intelligence with documents purporting that Iraq had purchased uranium from Niger. These documents were later exposed as forgeries;

< snip >

Since it is now also known that French intelligence was trying to push Martino’s forgeries on US and British intelligence, as simultaneously the Democratic National Committee was planning to discredit President Bush’s Iraq policy by accusing his administration of manufacturing evidence against Hussein’s regime, heightened suspicion is cast on Wilson’s use of the Niger investigation to discredit the Bush administration’s case for war.

What Wilson Didn’t Say About Africa

Also, Rocco only "procured" the documents, he did not forge them. Fitzgerald went to Italy to investigate the Niger Embassy (in Rome) burglary...where the letterhead and seals for the forgeries were stolen. Ex-CIA agent (and coincidentally, an advisor to the Vatican in Rome),Vincent Cannistraro has stated that Alan Wolf and Duane Clarridge were the actual forgers, but his account is the only one available that I can find on the subject. He has also pointed the finger at Michael Ledeen, but Ledeen has publicly made a statement that he had nothing to do with it and demanded an apology from Cannistraro.

In addition, despite what the MSM is reporting, the Italians released a press report yesterday saying they had nothing to do with the forgeries:

Italy denies role in fake documents on Iraq

This was also backed up by Rocco here

Cannistraro's "theory" falls apart when you consider that he:

1) blamed SISME (the Italians), which has proven to be wrong

2) bases his assumptions on a Dec 2001 Ledeen meeting, when Cannistraro himself was in Rome in Nov 2001, which would make him just as suspect.

I also discovered that Cannistraro worked directly with Clarridge during Iran Contra, so he has alot of nerve bringing that up in connection to Ledeen. Another interesting tidbit (#47) that I discovered is that Wolf and Clarridge worked with Aldrich Ames, who outed Plame to the Russians in the 90's. Coincidence? I think not. Cannistraro trying to kill two birds with one stone to cover his own carcass seems to be the more likely answer. Equally suspicious is the Hersch article, where Cannistraro and another unnamed agent state the exact route the documents took and Cannistraro actually admits that he called the CIA about the documents before they were proven to be false. This begs the question...just how did Cannistraro know about the documents before they were vetted? Sounds a whole lot like Wilson's slip-up about seeing the documents.

Hersch also claims in the above linked article:

Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer. He had begun talking to me about the Niger papers in March, when I first wrote about the forgery, and said, “Somebody deliberately let something false get in there.” He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves.
A more reliable source, Joe diGenova claims it was a possible CIA coup as well. As does James Lewis in two articles, here and here

Two other names just crept into this...Niger Ambassador Adamou Chekou, who was in charge at the Embassy when the break-in and forgeries occurred and Wissam al-Zahawiah, Iraqi Ambassador to the Holy See. Seems Italian Intelligence was eavesdropping on these two and discovered their "hotline".

Did you read that carefully. Holy See? As in Vatican? Where Vincent Cannistraro is the security advisor?

And speaking of al Zahawie, he was also apparently clairvoyant:

JANUARY 2003 : (AL ZAHAWIE, "RETIRED IN JORDAN" - IS RECALLED BACK TO BAGHDAD, IRAQ; HE IS TAKEN TO MEET UN WEAPONS INSPECTORS) But last January, al-Zahawie was summoned back to Baghdad for what he had expected would be a request to help Iraq's Foreign Service plan for deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz's planned visit to the Vatican. Instead, upon landing in Baghdad, al-Zahawie was taken to meet with UN weapons inspectors. Five inspectors interviewed him in a 90-minute session, he says.

"They asked why I went [to Niger], why I was chosen, when I left Rome and whether there were any other Iraqi diplomats at the Vatican," he says. "But then they asked who had the seal of the embassy and where I had left it." That's when al-Zahawie got wind of some kind of foul play. Italy had handed over cables from al-Zahawie to the Niger government announcing the trip, and other documents had pointed to his presence in Niger. But the inspectors were particularly interested in a July 6, 2000, document bearing al-Zahawie's signature, concerning a proposed uranium transaction. The inspectors refused to show him the letter, he says, but al-Zahawie was sure he had never written it. "If they had such a letter, it had to have been a forgery," he says. The tell-tale signs of the forgery were quite obvious, he stresses. [* My note: How would he know the 'tell-tale sign' if they refused to show the letters to him? Shades of Joe Wilson's foreknowledge of the docs?]

Also take into consideration:

Wilson (as Ambassador to Gabon) had/has connections to the Gabon Chief of State, Omar Bongo, who was the chief African ally of the French oil company TotalFinaElf, a major beneficiary of the Oil-for-Food bribes. Prior to the Iraq War, they had a contract with Saddam's regime worth an estimated 12.5 to 27.0 billion barrels of oil reserves. Also he had connections via the Middle East Institute and Rock Creek, both of which are Saudi controlled.

Wilson's wife Jacqueline was also apparently a lobbyist for Bongo and it seems Wilson was pretty chummy with Saddam's weapons buyer, having dinner with him on the eve that Kuwait was invaded in 1990. She is now an advisor to Bongo, her picture from a 2005 conference can be found here That makes it very clear that there are connections to oil-for-food. No wonder Wilson can afford his lifestyle.

Source: Posts 21 and 22

See also:

Nigergate: the dangerous relations between Democrat Senators and ex spies

NIGERGATE:Connections between the UN Oil-for-food Inquiry, the Rockefeller Group and the French

26 posted on 11/21/2005 5:52:25 AM PST by ravingnutter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Venator

Who knows what games former intelligence agents play? They have to offer their experience in spookcraft. They are not accountable to anyone. They can sell their wares to the highest bidder. Our friend Rocco Martino is a good example.


27 posted on 11/21/2005 7:05:44 AM PST by popdonnelly
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Peach

[...maybe Murtha's trying to deflect the coming criticism and an ethics probe...]

I wondered about Congress's Friday night brawl being a deflection away from the raid in Mosul. Murtha's timing was good.


28 posted on 11/21/2005 7:47:33 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (The Koolaid can easily be avoided. It is RED!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Peach
Did you see this as to why Murtha has made a big deal about his withdrawal proposal?

There was a freeper on the Live Thread that made a reference about that ... but I wasn't sure what s/he was taking about

Another thing I found out on that thread was that Murtha was involved with ABSCAM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam

29 posted on 11/21/2005 7:47:42 AM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Mo1

I saw that about ABSCAM and am glad that someone found it or remembered because I'd long forgotten about that.

Murtha is trying to deflect criticism for what he feels is a coming House ethics probe and now he'll just say "it's politics", etc.

Somehow the Democrats do a pretty good job of playing defense. Pre-emptive defense at that :-)


30 posted on 11/21/2005 7:57:24 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: ravingnutter

I'm a bit off topic, but can anyone direct me to where there is a post here about this Newsweek article about German Intelligence saying we manipulated intel? I have been looking for a while today and cannot find anything.
Thanks.


31 posted on 11/21/2005 10:10:02 AM PST by amutr22 (....not ANOTHER clinton!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: amutr22
Haven't been able to find what you are looking for yet, but given the following articles I found in my search, the Germans don't have any more credibility than the Democrats:

Aug 2000: German Officials Say Iraq Is Making Ballistic Missiles

Oct 2001:Iraq May Have Nukes in 3 Years-German Intelligence

Feb 2003:Iraq has mobile 'bioweapons labs' (German intelligence service believes)

Feb 2003: German Intelligence Had Knowledge of Iraq's Biological and Chemical Weapons Last Fall

32 posted on 11/21/2005 10:45:48 AM PST by ravingnutter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Venator
An aside........................Could this also be why Bush kissed Tenent's butt after he screwed-the-pooch on the 911 intelligence and ABLE-Danger? (ie. he was afraid of the infighting he would get into if he placed ANY blame on the Intelligence community)
33 posted on 11/21/2005 11:10:50 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ravingnutter

I have not found it yet either. I was told it has to do with "Curveball" and it was excerpted on the msnbc site for Newsweek. But, I do not find it there or here.


34 posted on 11/21/2005 8:42:02 PM PST by amutr22 (....not ANOTHER clinton!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-34 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson