Skip to comments.Srebrenica, lies and media games
Posted on 02/16/2006 8:36:01 PM PST by zagor-te-nej
The Srebrenica operation was planned so that Bosnian Serb forces were positioned in a shape of a horseshoe, thus intentionally leaving space for the Muslim army and civilians to retreat North, North-West towards Tuzla. The distance of 36km and the configuration of the terrain are such that any man in average physical condition can cross it on foot. The military operation was conducted in this manner with the intention of minimizing the number of casualties, since the Muslims had brought in substantial military forces. If the Muslim forces had been hermetically enclosed, a violent fight would have ensued in which the army of Republika Srpska (RS) would also have suffered serious casualties. Whence the horse - shoe plan.
All this can be clearly seen on the above American map showing the withdrawal of the Muslim army. It should also be noted that no ambush was set up at Snagovo. Rather, the main contingent of the Muslim army itself planned to infiltrate into the town of Zvornik and thus create a street fighting situation for the army of RS. The clashes at Nova Kasaba in the Konjevic Field occurred due to the Muslim blockade of the main road that goes from Belgrade to Zvornik - to Vlasenica to Han Pijesak to Sarajevo, i.e. to Bosnian Serb capital Pale.
(Excerpt) Read more at trajkovic.co.yu ...
Mladic was out for blood, and it was only the lack of motivation amongst the Serbian blocking forces which allowed the head of the Muslim column to pierce their lines and escape. Once the Bosnian Serb command became aware of the column and its likely route, orders to block its movement were issued, and those orders form part of the body of evidence at Krstic's trial.
Srebrenica just isn't something the Serbs can lie about and get away with it anymore.
They left the opening for the muslims to leave and the VRS gave a block of time for everyone to leave, a group wanted to leave, whereas another group refused. What you had was an ensuing firefight between two muslim camps within Srebrenica region. The Serbs sat and watched til it was militarily right to move in to defeat any lingering muslim military forces.
I had many Sreb region pictures posted on my website, but since took down my site. However, they will be back up in another week.
Currently, all homes are still abandoned, nothing.
If he were out for blood, why did he not attempt to take Sarajevo? Why did he not try and take Tuzla, the HQ of muslim fanaticism in BiH? If he were out for blood, there was ample of oppty to do so. Why did he not hold onto Gorazde and "wipe out" the muslim terrorists that were holding that towns citizenry hostage?
The islamofascist cheerleaders are in a complete snit as their anti-Serb fictions continue to erode in the light of truth.
Go back to flipping burgers Popeye.
pictures 1-2 are Lupoglavno Serbian church destroyed. I stopped here upon seeing this burned out Serbian Church. While I was eating a quick meal, a small gathering of people gathered by and walked slowly past me on the road, staring. Another individual was trying to hide behind a tree and observe. I took a picture of him and upon that, he "walked away".
pic 6 Bratunac region nearing Mali Potocari on the road to Srebrenica.
Hoplite's strawmen are starting to come apart.
The Serbs at some future time will no longer be villianized, but they would not be relinquished from being tarnished with all those lies. That stigma will forever remain, but the up/coming generation will not see the Serbs as being the bad guys, but the precursor to the Global War on Terrorism (GWOT), the fight against islam.
Problem being that the MSM outlets' attempt to rewrite history will always be seen as ancillary and never truly scrutinized by the International community. It essentially gives the MSM outlets a free pass to manipulate public opinion based on lies and conjecture.
Becauase the troops under his command turned out to be nothing more than casualty averse cowards, better suited for engaging in combat operations against unarmed persons than opponents who were comparably armed to themselves. When confronted by a determined opponent, they either dug in and started shelling civilians, as was the case at Sarajevo, or, if the enemy brought the fight to them and negated the Serb's armor and artillery superiority, they turned tails and ran like little girls - which is exactly what happened in 1995 when the Croats took back the Krajina and drove on through up to the approaches to Banja Luka.
And before you or anybody else gets too stupid in regards to parroting this BS about the BSA coming down with a case of altruism and allowing the Srebrenica column to escape, consider the following from Dragan Obrenovic, DCO of the Zvornik Brigade, which relates to events of July 15th, 1995:
I went to my office and spoke to Vasic. We spoke about the column and the Muslim prisoners. Vasic suggested that a corridor be opened in the lines to let the column through to avoid casualties and relieve the threat the column posed on the security of Zvornik as well as the rear of our front lines. Special Police Commander Ljubomir Borovcanin and Special Police officer Milos Stupar arrived and joined the meeting. We continued discussions with regard to the column. I felt I needed higher authority to open such a corridor and attempted to reach the Commander of the Drina Corps.
I telephoned the Drina Corps and was put through to the Duty Officer there. I asked for the Commander and was told that Pandurevic had already left for Zvornik. There were no other officers at the Corps who could help me so I ended the call.
Unable to speak to a Commander at Drina Corps, I then telephoned the Main Staff and spoke to General Miletic. At that stage I thought he was the operations officer, but I now know that he was standing in for the Chief of Staff of the Main Staff. I told Miletic of the columns size and location and suggested that the lines be opened up to let it pass through. Miletic did not approve of this and said that I should use all military hardware possible to stop and destroy the column as I had been ordered to do. General Miletic told me that the column should be destroyed. He further complained to me about using an insecure line and hung up. I therefore did not have an opportunity to discuss the matter properly with him. From my knowledge of the column and the situation on the ground, I knew it was impossible to destroy the column as Miletic had suggested.
Vasic then said jokingly that the army was stupid and that he was going to call the Ministry of Interior. Vasic then placed a telephone call to Pale on the speakerphone. He spoke to an advisor to the Minister of Interior. He explained the situation to this advisor and asked permission to allow the column to pass. The advisor said that he should find the army and alert the airforce and kill them all. We did not have the capability to use air power and it was clear to all of us that our superiors did not comprehend fully what was going on the ground with regard to the column. Thinking aloud, I then asked myself where General Zivanovic could be. Borovcanin responded that Zivanovic was no longer the Corps Commander, and that General Krstic was now the Drina Corps Commander. I then tried to get hold of General Krstic. I was able to get hold of the communications officer Major Milenko Jevdevic, who in turn connected me to General Krstic.
Source: Statement of Facts as set out by Dragan Obrenovic
Thus, the only "corridor" opened in relation to the Srebrenica column was the one opened unilaterally by Colonel Pandurevic on the 16th of July, contrary to orders, and only after the column had overrun the rear of the Zvornik Brigade's 4th Infantry Battalion's positions around Nezuk/Baljkovica and linked up with BiH units which had assaulted the 4th Bn's front in order to meet the column.
Once the armed portion of the column had passed through, the Serbs closed the corridor and recommenced hunting down parts of the column which were still in areas under their control. Had the 4th Battalion not had to detach manpower to take part in the executions of those already captured, it might have held its lines.
But, alas, that's typical of the Serbs as of late - they'd rather kill unarmed folks than run their wars in a competent, honorable manner, and they'd rather lie about their incompetency and dishonor than deal with either, which is why Ratko Mladic is still at liberty today, no prosecution for war crimes has been mounted by Belgrade against any ranking member of its armed forces of police, and FR's threads are still polluted by this Serbian revisionist garbage.
"More Serbian revisionism."
Exactly....revising it to the truth and not the lies that were initially told.
Bright eyes, the Serbs could have taken all of Bosnia and Croatia if they chose too. They stopped and dug in and hoped talks would end the fighting. How many times did you hear Radovan say they were done fighting and as far as they were concerned, the war was over.
Their was a corridor for anyone wanting to leave with that open corridor. That is a fact and was even "accidently" reported during that time period.
Ever wonder why all the "Serbs" in custody or on as witnesses all parrot the same lines? They were promised something for it, whether it was good or bad, we don't know. So, don't tell us it was their good conscious talking.
The Serb soldiers began chasing down armed muslims that were combatents under the Geneva Convention. War is war. If you were a soldier and were fired upon by "civilians" carrying military gear and weapons, I'm sure you would fire back too. What the heck you suppose we are fighting and firing at in Iraq/Afghan, civilians that are not formally organized but carrrying weapons. Shooting at us, so you fire back.
So, lightening, you are grouping US Marines and Soldiers in the same category as the VRS. How commendable and therefore you acquit as your defense doesn't fit! You are a moron, you idiot.
Hoopie, you have gall slandering the Serbs and how they fight the Islamofascist scum while the people you support fly hijacked aircraft into buildings over American soil.
Just like David Irving. Keep up the good work, Tom.
When you say "the article is correct", you'll have to forgive me if I'm a little confused, as the article is demonstrably incorrect, per Colonel Obrenovic's statement. Do you intend to merely ignore any evidence that doesn't fit into your game plan? Seems to be your plan, so let's see how your take on the mass graves stacks up with reality.
The act of excavating, transporting and reburying 7,000 bodies was beyond the capabilies of the defunked Serbian army at that time. Surveillance would also have detected the movement.
The problem here is that not only has forensic evidence proved conclusively that bodies were moved, some of those tasked with moving the bodies have admitted their part in the plan:
From September through October 1995 the Bratunac Brigade, working with the civilian authorities, exhumed the mass grave at Glogova and other mass graves of Muslim victims of the murder operation, and reburied them in individual mass graves throughout the greater Srebrenica area. In September 1995 I was contacted by Colonel Popovic, the Drina Corps Chief of Security, and told to conduct a reburial of the Muslim bodies at Glogova. I coordinated the effort to exhume and re-bury Muslim bodies from mid-September to October 1995. This was done in coordination with the Bratunac Brigade Military Police, civilian police, and elements of the 5th Engineering Battalion of the Drina Corps. I reported on a Bratunac Brigade Commandmeeting in October 1995 to the assembled Command including Colonel Blagojevic that we were tasked with conducting the reburial operation of the Muslim bodies for the VRS Main staff.
Source: Statement of Facts and Acceptance of Responsibility, Momir Nikolic.
Further, in 2004 the Bosnian Serb government itself finally broke down and threw off the idiotic charade it was maintaining in regards to Srebrenica and disclosed the location of 32 further Srebrenica related mass graves which had thus far escaped detection.
So what are you bringing to the discussion, huh Tom? Nothing but BS, that's what. Not only are you pushing lies about the mass graves, you're still pushing outdated identification numbers, as the 2,000th Srebrenica victim was identified through the work the ICMP is doing in Bosnia in 2005.
Lastly, there were initially 15,000 reported missing from Srebrenica, over the course of the last decade, the missing list has been whittled down until now it stands at ~7,800. The voters to which you refer are not on the current list. The Bosnian Serbs reported they had over 6,000 prisoners after Srebrenica fell, and almost to a man, those prisoners were executed.
Your ignorance on the matter is embarrassing Tom. Do yourself a favor and stick to lying about Kosovo.
No - you're the one trying to equate our servicemen and their work with drunken Serbian Einsatzgruppen.
Recall that as soon as you were made aware of the implications, you disavowed any service in the VRS as if it were a curse.
There's Serbian courage and honor for you.