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LETS GO AFTER THOSE THAT HIRE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
3/28/06 | BOB HARAN

Posted on 03/29/2006 1:59:58 AM PST by Bob Haran

By Bob Haran; The recent marches in opposition to Rep. James Sensenbrener’s bill, H.R. 4437, that would make it a felony to be in the country illegally, has raised a question in my mind.

Why don't we make the people responsible for causing people to enter our country illegally, felons? Congress should amend H.R. 4437 and instead of making it a felony to be in the country illegally, make it a felony to illegally hire someone in the country illegally. To make people who are for the most part, law abiding, into felons, is ludicrous. Why does our government refuse to go after the real law breakers, the employers that illegally hire and profit from using undocumented workers?

Let's enforce all our immigration laws.

Bob Haran, Phoenix www.Bob-Haran.info


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141 posted on 03/29/2006 5:58:26 PM PST by Porterville (Si Se Puede!!! We can stop businesses hiring illegals!!! Si Se Puede!!!)
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To: muawiyah

What is a "living wage"? how much a person has to make to acquire everything they want? Or is it how much a person has to make to being able to provide for themselves what they need. $15.00 an hour! my, oh my! That's a lot of money!


142 posted on 03/30/2006 3:14:53 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: RavenATB

A hungry belly is a great motivator. You'd be surprised what Americans would be "willing" to do when they have their hand outs cut back.

It's not that they are not "willing", they don't have to! These illegals do not live 15-20 people in a house because they like it that way.


143 posted on 03/30/2006 3:18:23 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon
"It's not that they are not "willing", they don't have to! These illegals do not live 15-20 people in a house because they like it that way."

Understand your point. They are, however, here illegally. Breaking the law should not be the start of anyone's US citizenship. If you cut off their chance of employment, and cut off their access to taxpayer-funded social services, the vast majority will leave on their own. Which, in my opinion, is exactly what should happen.

There are two main drawing cards leading illegals to come to the US: employment opportunity and social services like welfare, medical care, and public education. Those two "draws" need to be eliminated.

If we want to set up a process for speedy immigration with work visas, let them re-apply (if they ever applied) and selectively allow a limited number of the best candidates for US citizenship back in.
144 posted on 03/30/2006 3:30:58 AM PST by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: RavenATB

You are correct. The illegal immigrants are merely a symptom of the problem which is the welfare state and the mind set of our spoiled "poor".


145 posted on 03/30/2006 4:00:45 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: HankReardon
The 'free' (God, I hate that word) medical care is a huge draw for them as well.

TANSTAAFL.

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146 posted on 03/30/2006 4:04:30 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everyone else shows me their hands.)
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To: Shomer
The Legal Community will kiss your feet at this proposal since it means that if the options are "lose everything" in RICO forfeiture, or huge tax-deductable legal fees, these "corporate big wigs" will choose the latter and will keep the courts (that you pay for) tied up settling these claims. I don't see great motivation in prosecutors to win these cases either. Probably plenty of out-of-court settlements so there won't be this psychological impact that you are planning on.

You misread RICO. Under RICO the defendant’s assets are forfeited when the charge is filed and the warrant is signed. The defendant doesn’t have to be convicted or even have a trial date. The defendant has to petition the court to allow him access to enough of the forfeited assets to hire a lawyer. The judge says how much of his money he may use and the judge appoints someone to see that all funds withdrawn are used only for the defense of the case.

Also, avoiding jail on the underlying charge does not release the seized assets. Under RICO a defendant must prove that the funds are not the fruit of an illegal act. That’s almost impossible to do because money is fungible.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that competitors of the criminal businesses that employ illegal immigrants can be sued under the civil section of RICO because their criminal activity makes them a corrupt organization under the definition in the law. There is no reason to think they would not uphold criminal charges.

As for incentive to prosecute, aside from keeping their jobs if ordered to do it, is the fact that the forfeited assets do not go into the general fund. They go to the cops, and prosecutors for more enforcement, equipment, employees, etc. There’s plenty of incentive. All we need is an administration willing to do their duty and enforce the law.

147 posted on 03/30/2006 11:36:28 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: Lurker

agreed. If you think health care is expensive now just wait and see how much it costs when it's "free".


148 posted on 03/31/2006 3:27:00 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Bob Haran; All
Good idea. Here is something we can do right away.

DOUG from Upland started with this thread U.S. BORDER PATROL: Turn In Illegal Aliens (and employers, followed by this one U.S. BORDER CONTROL Turn in illegal aliens

Go to either thread for more details on what to do. The TOLL FREE number to report ILLEGAL aliens or those employing ILLEGAL aliens to ICE is: 866-347-2423

How it works:

You are not required to provide your identity to ICE. All that is necessary to request an investigation by ICE is mere suspicion of any activity by ILLEGAL aliens.

ICE and the IRS are especially interested in "visiting" those businesses that employ ILLEGALS "off the books" to avoid the payment of payroll taxes.

Latinos Plan Nationwide Worker Strike

I suggest looking around and see if you might spot a suspect. At work, at school, at a job sight, Micky D's, Store etc.

On the day(current plan is May 1) of this march check to see if you can determine if someone took the day off. Confirming grounds for suspicion.

Then MAKE THE CALL
Again the number is
866-347-2423

:) Easy Does It

149 posted on 03/31/2006 3:47:12 AM PST by eazdzit (Vote AGAINST All NWO PuboCrats !! DO NOT re-elect the least of two evils!!!)
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To: Bob Haran

Good post.

We don't need any new laws. We need enforcement of laws already on the books. Throw a half dozen top CEOs in jail and hit their companies with staggering fines, and watch the chain reaction follow.

If we are going to have to support Mexico, we ought to be running it. Why is there prosperity north of the Rio Grande, and terrible south of it? Because the US and Canada were not founded by a patrician culture that still runs the country through blood lines that can be traced back to Spanish royalty. It's a caste society, and it is never going anywhere.

Let's hire the 12 million illegals to help conquer Mexico, get rid of the corruption that runs Mexico, and make it the 51st state. Then they'd all be back in Mexico, and the US could turn that country around in a decade. They have so many resources, but the country is dead because its corrupt through and through.


150 posted on 04/02/2006 8:20:00 PM PDT by David Allen
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